Axs - pair +flush draw

[cockandbull]

Since this has turned into a pretty good discussion on when to value bet, say i do and it comes back. Then what?

[Entity]

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Since this has turned into a pretty good discussion on when to value bet, say i do and it comes back. Then what?

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...and it comes back -- raised? Who raised? The passive SB checkraised? The overaggressive CO waited until the river then raised, and the SB folded? Spell the scenario out for me.

Rob

[meep_42]

Muck against a typical player, i'd imagine. (They hit their trip 7s on the river.)

-d

[chief444]

I agree, definitely a good value bet on the river.

[Entity]

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I'm sorry, but I can't agree with you here. There are quite a few PFR hands that will simply call you here. If you won't accept anecdotal evidence then there isn't much else I can offer; in the last 30k hands I've made tons -- tons -- of value bets like this on the river, and it's added substantially to my winrate. I'm sure that you could ask this question to every winning player here, and 99.9% of them would advocate betting the river.


Doubt it, but ok. I guess I'm in the .1 percent then. There's lots of places where value betting on the river makes sense. This isn't one of them. The risk/reward for this particular situation isn't sufficent.

I imagine other winning players will post and we'll see what the consensus is.

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Just for general reference, it's usually not a good idea to be in the .1% of people who miss a clear value bet on the river. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Rob

[sthief09]

fold preflop. and absolutely bet the river. they will call with much worse hands

[Smasharoo]

Just for general reference, it's usually not a good idea to be in the .1% of people who miss a clear value bet on the river.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I don't value bet the river often, just not often where it's likely to be a spilt pot and I win .5BB or lose 1BB.

If you were closing this and there was a bet and call in front of you would you raise it for value also?

[cockandbull]

If it comes back with co raising and sb rerasing, i'm not going to call. So here my take on the other more tricky problems.

Hand A, Co folds and sb c/r. I'd be looking at folding.

hand B, co calls and sb c/r. Again i'd fold.

hand 3 co raises an sb folds, i'd call

hand 4 co raises and sb calls, i have no idea? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[Smasharoo]

fold preflop.


Still don't get this. Seems ludicrously tight to fold Axs in the BB for one bet here.

[DMBFan23]

with a limper present, I think the assumption is that CO will be slightly tighter than steal raise standards here.

As has been said, I think it's read dependent.