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Old 11-22-2004, 07:16 PM
sammy_g sammy_g is offline
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Default Re: Bison\'s Autorate Rules and SSH \"Tight\" Preflop Recommendations

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My pre-flop play is a little looser than Miller's "tight" chart and is still only about 18%.

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I stand corrected.
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Old 11-22-2004, 10:13 PM
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Default Re: Bison\'s Autorate Rules and SSH \"Tight\" Preflop Recommendations

I play 2/4 and am at 19% pre flop with a 2.5 BB won per 100. I play on Party Poker and I only have 6500 hands so far...but it feels that I'm playing right where I should be related to my win rate.

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Old 11-23-2004, 12:36 PM
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Default Re: Bison\'s Autorate Rules and SSH \"Tight\" Preflop Recommendations

Unlike some of the posters, my vp$ip went down once I started following SSH guidelines. I think it is primarily due to the rarity of cold calling raises. In late position, in a loose, passive game you are calling a lot.
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Old 11-23-2004, 01:32 PM
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Default Re: Bison\'s Autorate Rules and SSH \"Tight\" Preflop Recommendations

Someone who has the book can find it, but I'm pretty sure in one of the Poker Essays Books by Mason, he states that the best players in the world are slightly Loose Aggressive. - (That may not have been his exact words, but I don't have the book so I can't quote exactly, but the passage sticks out distinctly in my head)

I'm also sLA-A, and am quite satisified with my play.

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Old 11-23-2004, 07:51 PM
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Default Re: Bison\'s Autorate Rules and SSH \"Tight\" Preflop Recommendations

Hey Womble, played you tonight, and on my (500+) PT record of you, you dropped <20% VPIP.

What happened man?

ZB
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Old 11-23-2004, 08:05 PM
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Default Re: Bison\'s Autorate Rules and SSH \"Tight\" Preflop Recommendations

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I'm also sLA-A, and am quite satisified with my play.

Sarge[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

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Same here, but sometimes I dip into sLA-P. I do sometimes wonder if that's beause my tables tend to be passive so I can stay in to the river waiting for the big flush/OE straight draw to come thru...

---Leavenfish
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Old 11-23-2004, 09:44 PM
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Default Re: Bison\'s Autorate Rules and SSH \"Tight\" Preflop Recommendations

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I do sometimes wonder if that's beause my tables tend to be passive so I can stay in to the river waiting for the big flush/OE straight draw to come thru...


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I'm TA-A, and I'll almost never be checking/calling when I have a big flush/OESD... you might want to read/reread Millers SSHE
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Old 11-23-2004, 10:04 PM
MicroBob MicroBob is offline
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Default Re: Bison\'s Autorate Rules and SSH \"Tight\" Preflop Recommendations

All you guys who are rattling off your VPIP numbers before and/or after SSHE should also be looking at your PFR numbers.

VPIP-19 or so is a nice start for most party games (thinking 2/4 and 3/6 for the most part). But if your PFR is less than 5 then you are still hurting yourself. you should really be striving to bring your PFR up to at least 7 imo.

VPIP-18, PFR-9 is pretty good territory to be in I think....but your numbers will vary of course.

However, I do think you are REALLY hurting your EV significantly if you are at VPIP-18 but only have PFR-4 (or less).
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Old 11-24-2004, 12:05 AM
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Default Re: Bison\'s Autorate Rules and SSH \"Tight\" Preflop Recommendations

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I do sometimes wonder if that's beause my tables tend to be passive so I can stay in to the river waiting for the big flush/OE straight draw to come thru...


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I'm TA-A, and I'll almost never be checking/calling when I have a big flush/OESD... you might want to read/reread Millers SSHE

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No, don't get me wrong, I'm just saying that ON the river if I don't hit those 'big flush/OE straight' draws, then I am left to check or fold. I'm not about to raise on a busted draw with nothing...so I am going to have a lot of 'non-raises' on the river that logically would tend to bring down my agression factor on the end.

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Old 11-24-2004, 12:20 AM
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Default Re: Bison\'s Autorate Rules and SSH \"Tight\" Preflop Recommendations

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...so I am going to have a lot of 'non-raises' on the river that logically would tend to bring down my agression factor on the end.

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Folding won't affect your aggression factor. Calling will.
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