bad rule at commerce

[onegymrat]

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I like the rule, here's why.

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I'm sorry, but just because you lost the hand doesn't mean that this rule is good. Making an opponent lay down a hand should be from betting, not because he's an imbecile.

[snakehead]

if you miscall your hand and your opponent mucks, you lose. but I wouldn't be surprised if half of the floormen and 75% of the supervisors don't know the rule.

[snakehead]

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I don't see how this rule could possible come into play very often unless a lot of commerce players are very sloppy.


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I would say there is a ruling on this about once a week at the two stud tables in the area where I am playing. there are a few angle shooters who are aware of the rule and they shoot their cards into the much as soon as they hear the magic words.

[Ulysses]

Here's my favorite Commerce rule.

The last time I was there playing 10-20NL, over the weekend about 4 times there was a split pot. Usually when this happens in NL it's a relatively small pot. Say 22995 and two guys have an Ace. $70 in the pot. Each guy gets $30 and there's one odd $10 chip.

The uniform Commerce rule seems to be the tiebreaker is as follows:

If the Commerce regular has a higher second card, the highest second card gets the odd chip.

If the Commerce regular is closer to the button, the player close to the button gets the odd chip.

If the Commerce regular is farther from the button and has a lower second card, the odd chip goes to the higher suit of the Ace. Suit order is dependent on what suits the Commerce regular and other player have.

If the Commerce regular has a lower second card, his opponent's suit is Spade, and opponent is closer to button, the $10 chip is chopped into two fives.

I'm pretty sure that's the exact rule for this scenario at Commerce. None of the dealers apparently have any idea about the rule, but the regular players seem to know all the details and are very good about informing the dealer regarding what to do in this scenario.

[andyfox]

Now, at least in the mid-limit games, they break the chips down. In 40-80, they drop $4, so there's an extra $10 chip, one $5 chip, and one $1 chip in the pot. They break the $10 chip into two fives, and the $5 chip into 5 ones.

Before, they did have a rule for the extra chip and I, who am a semi-regular, never undrestood the rule. It always seemed the rule was Andy doesn't get the extra chip.

At the tournament two nights ago (I did not play, I heard this), a guy was on the verge of busting out and he caught a king on the river to give him the winning hand. He was excited and threw his cards onto the table in exultation. The cards slid off the table onto the floor. His opponent claimed his hand was dead, but the ruling was it was not and he was awarded the pot. But he got a 20 minute time-out because his cards went off the table. In the 20 minutes he was anted and blinded out of the tournament.

[Ulysses]

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Before, they did have a rule for the extra chip and I, who am a semi-regular, never undrestood the rule. It always seemed the rule was Andy doesn't get the extra chip.

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When I played there w/ GiftOfGab, we both were subject to the same extra chip rule as you.

[Randy_Refeld]

I believe the rule at the Commerce is whoever swears the loudest gets the odd chip. In the event of a tie whoever swears in the most languages gets the chip.

RR

[Runner Runner]

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I was playing 20-40 there on monday and the dealer let the last 2 players in the pot chop it up and split it.

There's nothing wrong with that. Deals are totally fine in poker.

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Are you kidding? That's totally wrong, chopping blinds is fine, but I think he is referring to a 3 or 4 way hand where it goes to headsup on the turn or river and the remaining players decide to chop it. I don't have a big problem with the 2 players checking it down if they are friends but for them to be able to just chop it without showing their cards is totally wrong.

[snakehead]

the commerce rule in holdem ring games is the odd chip goes to the high card by suit. you can always call the floor to enforce this rule. in tournaments, and in all omaha games, it goes left of the button.

[DuggleBogey]

I think this is a misinterpretation of Robert's Rules, since Robert's rules state that a hand is dead if a player declares it dead by saying "I fold" or "you win" etc.

But Robert's Rules only applies this declaration rule if the player who declares is facing a Bet or a Raise. Since the player has either called or been called, his hand is not dead and this ruling at Commerce is incorrect. The overriding Robert's Rule in this case would be "The Cards Speak." Look for a Cards Speak rule at Commerce. I bet they have one, and make them enforce it.