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10-09-2004, 06:17 PM
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Re: It baffles me that so many Amercians support Bush
"In other words, you want to be led."
In many areas, yes I do. I want to vote for a guy who is close to my position in some key areas, then let him or her make decisions for me. What, am I going to weigh in on every decision the Prez has to make? "No problem, in most of the world, the majority of people are sheep." Well, yeah. It's just psychology/evolution. "To me, the President is not our leader, he is our employee. We (the electorate) decide how he will discharge his office," No. Even if I could "decide how he will discharge his office", I wouldn't want to. What does that mean, anyway? I let him decide. He has access to the experts. I don't know crap about foreign affairs and economics and all kinds of things. Let him make the decisions. If he makes one bad enough, I'll try to vote him out. "and the constitution determines whether or not specific aspects of our will are subject to government action." "Neither major party understands this fact." What fact? "As to the rest of the world not understanding how so many Americans can support Bush, that just shows me how truly myopic most people are. Despite the fact that I don't much care for much of Bush's social agenda, I think that Europe and Canada need to wake up and understand that their zombie-like support of the nanny-state is destroying true freedom and economic power." "What Americans need is to wake up and recognize that George W. Bush is as much a big-government quasi-socialist as Kerry." This is true w/respect to "big-gov", but I'm not sure about w/respect to "quasi-socialist". "Don't get stuck on stupid. Vote Libertarian." I like the Libertarain view on a lot of issues. Dave/crash 
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#22
10-09-2004, 06:23 PM
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Re: It baffles me that so many Amercians support Bush
Bush rocks, you arrogant hippies who think your opinion matters have a rude awakening coming. The beauty is most of you will just whine and not vote so we don't care. We need someone to lead the country, not someone who's only selling point is "I'm not George Bush." As far as the rest of the world questioning why we like Bush, I don't know why you're so concerned with us. Worry about sanitizing your drinking water or whatever, when you run the world like we do, then you can make important decisions. Yes this is an inflamatory post, but which part is not true? heh...
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10-09-2004, 09:56 PM
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Re: It baffles me that so many Amercians support Bush
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"and the constitution determines whether or not specific aspects of our will are subject to government action." "Neither major party understands this fact." What fact? [/ QUOTE ] Whenever the goverment does something it should be because it is mandated to do it by the consitution, not because it would be popular with the electorate to do so. This pretty much sums up the entire platform of the libertarian party.
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#26
10-09-2004, 10:28 PM
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Re: It baffles me that so many Amercians support Bush
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Gephardt, Lieberman or even POSSIBLY edwards would be running away with this election. [/ QUOTE ] Gephardt was beaten in his last election in his home state, Missouri, by a dead man. Thank you, Jim Kuhn Catfish4U [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
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#27
10-10-2004, 02:35 AM
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Re: It baffles me that so many Amercians support Bush
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the President's character and conviction [/ QUOTE ] It should be obvious to even the determinedly ignorant that Bush's "convictions" about Iraq were pretextual fabrications. His "character" is no better than that of any other cruel military aggressor, on a lesser moral plane than mere retail terrorists who can count their victims in the mere tens or hundreds, like Abu Nidal or Carlos the Jackal. What your're referring to is simply spin by the public and private legitmators for the state, aimed at the most credulous and sadistic.
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#28
10-10-2004, 03:33 AM
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Re: It baffles me that so many Amercians support Bush
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His "character" is no better than that of any other cruel military aggressor, on a lesser moral plane than mere retail terrorists who can count their victims in the mere tens or hundreds, like Abu Nidal or Carlos the Jackal. [/ QUOTE ] This post truly shows your warped view of reality, Chris. A terrible tyrant was removed and the blood shed thus far to effect his removal has been far les than the blood he himself had spilled, even of his own people. Focusing on Bush's supposed "cruelty", instead of Saddam's regime's well-documented cruelty and torture, displays your inverted view of right and wrong in the world. Your terrier-holding-onto-a-bone-like determination is to paint the U.S. as the great evil-doer---when in fact the U.S. in this case was the great liberator of the Iraqis from the statist terror-machine of Saddam. (Now, if we can only quell the Saddamite insurgent holdovers and the Islamist terror fanatics which are yet plaguing Iraq...) [ QUOTE ] "What your're referring to is simply spin by the public and private legitmators for the state, aimed at the most credulous and sadistic. [/ QUOTE ] You are an absolute piece of work, having the GALL to talk about "the sadistic", when Iraq's Baathist Party made Sadism and Terror a part of everyday life for ordinary Iraqis. You really do live in a topsy-turvy world, don't you, Chris? Care to discuss Saddam's torture chambers, his Stalinist executions, political prisoners having their tongues cut out, Uday's and Qusay's rape rooms, and the entire rest of Saddam's Little Shop Of Horrors? But NOOOOOOOO, you think the USA is the terrorist and the cruel military leader. Are you actually insane or something? Do you not think a tyrant such as Saddam is better removed, and the Iraqis better off not forced to suffer many years longer under a veritable mini-Stalin and his depraved sons? What planet are you on, anyway? Can't you even compare the numbers killed (heavily more by Saddam) and the horrors enacted (again, much more heavily by Saddam and his regime)? Are you completely bereft of reason and compassion, due to your blind hatred of the USA? Why can't you see which is worse and more cruel, and who forced the Iraqi people to suffer the most???
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#29
10-10-2004, 04:10 AM
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Re: It baffles me that so many Amercians support Bush
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Bush rocks, you arrogant hippies who think your opinion matters have a rude awakening coming. The beauty is most of you will just whine and not vote so we don't care. We need someone to lead the country, not someone who's only selling point is "I'm not George Bush." As far as the rest of the world questioning why we like Bush, I don't know why you're so concerned with us. Worry about sanitizing your drinking water or whatever, when you run the world like we do, then you can make important decisions. Yes this is an inflamatory post, but which part is not true? heh... [/ QUOTE ] You made me do a spit-take while reading this. That was great. There was a news story on liberals trying to get college students to vote because most would vote for Kerry. Why's that? Because mush-headed people vote liberal because it's the easiest thing to do. Everything sounds good and so you just have to agree with good-sounding things that have no basis in reality and common sense. "Bush bad, war bad, Republicans bad," ad nauseum. Liberalism is the easiest way in the world to never have to make a hard decision. As for other countries, other countries such as Canada are like the kid brother whose big brother takes care of all his fights for him. I think Canada is great, but some of its citizens need to wake up and look out their window at the rest of the world. Those people get to sit on the sidelines and point their finger because the United States of America is taking care of business for them. If the U.S. was half as evil as some people want to pretend it is, our Salvation Army would have invaded and taken over Canada a long time ago. John Kerry talks a lot about the United Nations. The United Nations has proven itself to be worthless time after time. Do the math. 2+2.
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#30
10-10-2004, 04:13 AM
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Re: It baffles me that so many Amercians support Bush
Chris' hyperbole aside, the question isn't whether or not the world is better off without Saddam. Instead, the question is this: with a towering deficit, plummeting employment figures, a bankrupt social security program, etc., should the US be spending $200,000,000,000-- and counting-- to liberate some little rathole halfway around the globe? Is this the best use of our resources? And if so, then what distinguishes this particular rathole from all the other ratholes ruled by thugs, dictators and assorted warlords?
That's the part of it that most Bush supporters don't seem to get. Yeah, Saddam was a 'bad guy'. Nobody disputes that. But he's just one of many. He didn't have any ties to Bin Laden, so why the hell are we there? You hear that dippy little playboy who was installed in the Oval Office chirping about 'keeping the free world safe', and you wonder-- just what part of 'no hard, clear evidence'(Rumsfeld's words) don't you fricking understand? Would Kerry have done better? Who knows? But I will say he probably would have waited until either a) Blix announced he was done, or b) he'd built a real coalition to help spread the cost around. How anyone can argue with that logic is utterly beyond me.
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