5/10 NL on UB - JT on the JJ5 flop - Page 3

1800GAMBLER · #21 09-09-2004, 10:18 AM

If the raiser is good wouldn't he be checkraising ZJ a huge percentage of the time? And given that he didn't he can make it more likely he's not very good and has AA KK? I guess the raiser would have to know ZJ plays well for him to c/r a lot.

Oh man that would stop him playing TJo [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

1800GAMBLER · #22 09-09-2004, 10:19 AM

I just have a new found hate for suited connectors in NL. I very much disagree that this hand should be breakeven though.

turnipmonster · #23 09-09-2004, 10:47 AM

justin, I've got a couple of questions for you. if you play a big pot here (important assumption), what hands do you think your opponents will have? what hands will they put you on, and what hands will they shovel chips in the pot with?

--turnipmonster

Tosh · #24 09-09-2004, 10:57 AM

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as is TJs.

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Playing JTs is -EV here?

1800GAMBLER · #25 09-09-2004, 11:55 AM

It's +EV. Any hand could be +EV depending on the limper, against a lot of limpers i'd raise blind, some i'd call blind and bet every flop, some i'd fold a lot of hands for. Against an unknown i'm not thrilled with TJo.

Paluka · #26 09-09-2004, 02:08 PM

This hand is a tough one. The turn certainly seems like a fold except against a known moron or bluffer or crazy person. It seems like the only way to get money from worse hands is to raise the flop unless you are willing to routinely call big turn and river bets and hope to snap off bluffs or pocket kings.

theBruiser500 · #27 09-09-2004, 02:25 PM

"I agree with deuces, since there's already been action, you need to raise that flop for information.

I don't agree with calling and seeing what the turn brings, you are unlikely to improve and it's going to cost you more to continue, you need to know where you are now."

this is a lot to pay for information. seems to me this might be easier, but not most ev+

theBruiser500 · #28 09-09-2004, 02:30 PM

"if you call the turn you can't fold the river."

why not? his pot odds would be good but his oppoennts betting would define his hand very well

theBruiser500 · #29 09-09-2004, 02:43 PM

"This hand is a tough one. The turn certainly seems like a fold except against a known moron or bluffer or crazy person. It seems like the only way to get money from worse hands is to raise the flop unless you are willing to routinely call big turn and river bets and hope to snap off bluffs or pocket kings."

i think ZJ wants to play a small pot here, if he plays a big pot, he's probably going to lose (hence i don't like raising on the flop). calling the flop and then folding on the turn looks good to me.

Paluka · #30 09-09-2004, 02:46 PM

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i think ZJ wants to play a small pot here, if he plays a big pot, he's probably going to lose (hence i don't like raising on the flop). calling the flop and then folding on the turn looks good to me.

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I totally agree he wants to play a small pot, but at the same time does just calling the flop make it too likely that you are going to fold the best hand later?