An observation!

[Vince Lepore]

Well even I (humbly) am not as perfect as would like. An MMMMM reply is a thing to make ones good memories warm up inside. How R you buddy. I was at Foxwoods in April and on 4 July looked for you and John C, yeah I should have emailed.

A word of advice about getting in shape or not getting in shape as the case may be. Wheni was 39 I went on a physical fitness, self designed, program. I lost a lot of weight, pumped iron, did the bst thing for me: "walked" and felt great. Somehow over the next 5 or 6 years I lost control and blew up, weight wise. I have struggled and fought for the past 12 years to get down to where I was 15 years ago. I have not been successful. I'm heavier now than I ever was. I am very discouraged. I doubt that I will ever make my goal and yet I keep starting diets to try and lose this excess fat.

My advice is to not do what I did. If you are not sucessful seek professional help. But get it done now or face the fact that for the rest of your life you will be haunted by your unfullfilled goal. You will constantly start and stop this never ending process. Don't tortutre yourself get determined and do it!

Forget about our bet. It was made only to give you impetus to succeed. That it didn't work does not bring me any pleasure. "Losing the bet" was the result I wanted. Get some help and win the battle. Good to hear from you and good luck.

Vince

[rjc199]

With no doubt in my mind I would rather play in game #1. In order for me to turn a profit all I would have to do is fold everything preflop except AA-88 and AK. Playing those hands in pots capped on every street and you will have more money than you know what to do with. You don't even have to worry about adding more hands for two reasons: (1) you get paid for your big hands alot more than normal, and (2) more hands aren't going to be valuable becuase you have to pay 4 bets to see the flop and most of the time you won't have a good draw, so avoid the variance of extra speculative hands.

[M2d]

Vince is back!!
I don't have much to add. I agree with most of the other guys that your expected earn goes up in these games, but I think it's a relatively small increase. Not nearly as large an increase as most people think, and certainly not anywhere near the ballpark of the increase varience sees. I don't have the math to back this up, nor the inclination/ability to do it, but years of playing in two different 15 games here in the bay area kinda show this. My Oaks results are a bit lower than my AJ's results, but the rock game at the oaks shows much smaller varience than the nutty game in San Bruno.

Anyway, I just wanted to get involved in a Vince Lepore thread.

[whiskeytown]

I just spent a day playing 500+ hands of 50 cent Party Poker.

I attempted to use the Small Stakes Holdem plan of aggression, but with that many players, and that many outs per player, it severly crippled my ability to win with anything other then a showdown vs 5 other players.

as an example, my 3 biggest losing hands were AA, AKo, and QQ - I never won more then 33 percent of these, and my total losses for each hand were between 10-15 BB -

Let's say I raise with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], and a flop comes Q82 rainbow.

two players came in with bad pocket pairs (33 and 66) -
one came in with K8 offsuit
One came in with J9 suited
and of course....something like Q4 - suited that match one of the cards on the board. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

I have approx. 15 outs that will kill my hand unless I win a redraw. In addition, I probalby won't know it till the reraise - 15 outs twice means I'm gonna lose that hand almost 50 percent of the time - and I'm not counting the guys who'll go runner runner to catch a flush or gutshot st8 - (and they will) -

I think a very loose variance game is as tough to beat as a $30/60 game - so while I hear people talking about how playing against one of these players will ultimately be profitable, I think it will be much less profitable when there are 5 or 6 of them on the table and may cost your biggest hands more then you'd like.

RB

[tolbiny]

Welcome Back Vince
fantastic to see you posting again (i was a lurker for a few months three years ago). Things have changed here at the deuceandaduece, now Clarkmeister's advice is more likely to be taken as gospel than sklansky's (not that S isn't still greatly respected)- of course the fact that Ray's advice is gospel will never, ever change.
I almost died laughing when dogmeat said "obviously you are no expert". good stuff man, good stuff.
so like i said good to have to you back, and i hope you stick around for a long time.

[Matt Flynn]

i hadn't visited the limit forums for months only to hit the wrong "Mid-,High Stakes" button, and there you were. i've truly missed your subtlety. ;-)

there's a new variation of poker called "pot limit" if you ever want to gender-bend on the forums.

matt

[Allan]

In order for me to turn a profit all I would have to do is fold everything preflop except AA-88 and AK.

You should play many more hands than the ones you've listed if the game really is being capped every round.

more hands aren't going to be valuable becuase you have to pay 4 bets to see the flop and most of the time you won't have a good draw, so avoid the variance of extra speculative hands



Because every round is being capped you should approach the game as a passive game at quadruple your regular stakes. If there were no raises ever allowed in your game what hands would you play?


This is all assuming you could actually find a game that was always capped on every round.

Allan

[Ray Zee]

oh you were gone for awhile -- i didnt notice. at least your first post back was a good one even if some didnt think so.

[Whistler]

A statistical observation:

How is it that most people on this forumn, will agree that the online low limit, .5/1 - 2/4 games are able to be beaten for up to 5BB/100, but the higher games, have an upper echelon of 3-4BB/100? That fact would seem to stifle the observations made.

[Nottom]

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I have approx. 15 outs that will kill my hand unless I win a redraw. In addition, I probalby won't know it till the reraise - 15 outs twice means I'm gonna lose that hand almost 50 percent of the time - and I'm not counting the guys who'll go runner runner to catch a flush or gutshot st8 - (and they will) -

I think a very loose variance game is as tough to beat as a $30/60 game - so while I hear people talking about how playing against one of these players will ultimately be profitable, I think it will be much less profitable when there are 5 or 6 of them on the table and may cost your biggest hands more then you'd like.

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Getting 5-1 on a 50/50 shot is the sign of an imensely profitable game. Theres a big difference between the games Vince is talking about (super-aggresive LAGfests) and the typical Party micro-limit game.