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#22
08-19-2004, 02:30 PM
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Re: Joining the Dark side
AKo is by no means a monster in this situation:
A few scenerios, 5 handed pot: AKo 20.4% JTs 27.4% 98s 21.3% A7s 12.6% 44 18.3% 4 handed pot: AKo 28.4% QJs 29.0% 55 19.3% 97s 23.3% 5 handed pot: AKo 17.6% 77 21.7% A5s 13.0% KTs 23.9% 98s 23.8% Of course these are "cold" sims, but by raising and tying on the longshot draws, you are essentially making these percentages fairly accurate. Try limiting the field postflop after raising out of the sb when you hit. Try getting a free card when you raise out of the sb and miss. I am certainly not advocating playing super-passive out of the blinds in these situations. If you have a pocket pair or suited connectors, by all means raise. If you have AA KK QQ (real monsters as opposed to AKo) go ahead and raise. With AKo maybe once in a while you raise to change it up a bit, but if you raise AKo in these situations habitually, you might as well just burn some money. 
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#24
08-19-2004, 02:42 PM
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Re: Joining the Dark side
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And I'm putting in 15% of the money in a 5 handed pot and 18.75% of the money in a four handed pot. What's the problem? [/ QUOTE ] You are sb. Assuming bb comes along for 1 more bet with any reasonable and some unreasonable hands here because of the action, you are putting in closer to 20% in a 5 handed pot and 25% in a 4 handed pot. Not to mention the problem with implied/reverse-implied odds that your hand has. AND, its just plain easier to play post-flop w/o the raise.
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#25
08-19-2004, 03:16 PM
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Re: Joining the Dark side
mmcd is pokerhorse's twin.
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#30
08-19-2004, 03:30 PM
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Re: Party 15/30 AK hand
AKo will win more than it's fair share and thus you should raise from any position in an unraised pot (and in most raised pots).
Your arguments oozes of someone not comfertable with postflop play. [ QUOTE ] 1. AK is not really that big a favorite against non-dominated hands like JTs 87s QJ, etc. [/ QUOTE ] pokenum -h ah kd - js ts - 6s 6d - qc jh Holdem Hi: 1086008 enumerated boards cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Kd Ah 340743 31.38 743283 68.44 1982 0.18 0.314 Js Ts 233005 21.46 838653 77.22 14350 1.32 0.221 6s 6d 284126 26.16 799900 73.66 1982 0.18 0.262 Qc Jh 213784 19.69 857874 78.99 14350 1.32 0.203 Looks pretty sweet to me! [ QUOTE ] 2. With 3+ limpers theres at least a reasonable chance that someone has a pocket pair. Theres also a chance that other A's and K's are already out. This means that you have a dominating hand, but also negates some of your outs. [/ QUOTE ] With 3+ limpers you need to hit the board to win, so who cares if there is a pocket pair out there. Yes there could be another A or K out there (more unlikely against limpers than raisers though) in which case you are drawing to less outs, but you will earn more when you hit because the dominated hands will pay you off. In general limpers play all sorts of crap, so you have to magnify their mistake by raising preflop. [ QUOTE ] 3. You will have a harder time playing the hand correctly both when you hit and when you miss after the flop: [/ QUOTE ] I could get deeply into postflop play discussions here, but let me just comment on a few things: x) If you are worried about giving away information, you are probably raising to few hands from the blinds. y) Not raising for worry that the larger pot will force you to make uncomfertable drawing decisions says more about your judgement of your own postflop abilities than about the prudence of raising preflop. z) You don't want to checkraise this hand if you hit the flop. You want to bet so that the dominated hands and draws will pay you off. Your arguments lead me to believe that you worry more about losing the pot than winning money long term. A lot of hands will contribute dead money preflop but not postflop, so make them pay up front. Let me end by adding that AKo is a great hand in a multiway pot. People saying otherwise are perpetuating a myth based on the fact that the relative value go down.
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