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#21
07-08-2004, 12:22 PM
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Re: Q9s -- Big Pot -- Big Draw -- Big Bust
I think the PF call is fine.
[ QUOTE ] Does Q9s win more than 9% of the time in a 6 player hand? Take your time answering this one. [/ QUOTE ] But this line of reasoning is only valid when you or all of your opponents are all-in and there will be no further betting. If that were actually the case it would probably be correct to call with 72o. The reason it is not correct to call with 72o is that often you win by flopping one pair and making it stand up at showdown or perhaps you draw out to two pair or trips on the end. Problem is you will suffer huge losses calling postflop bets while taking these weak hands to the river for your occasional victory. 
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#23
07-08-2004, 12:28 PM
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Re: Q9s -- Big Pot -- Big Draw -- Big Bust
Hi papawawa,
Welcome to the forum. [ QUOTE ] Is it because you can be fairly sure your opponent is holding a higher straight or a house? Or am I completely off base. [/ QUOTE ] The reason that arkady folded was indeed that he feared a better hand was present - the only better hand in this case is AQ which makes an ace high straight. A full house is not possible in hold'em unless there is a pair on board. What makes this situation so controversial is that you can certainly be "fairly sure" that at least one opponent is holding a higher straight but that because the pot is so big, arkady only has to win it a relatively small amount of the time to break even on the call. This is somewhat negated by him having to call three bets on the river, however, as the size of the pot relative to the number of bets that have to be called is not enormous anymore, although it remains large. It is certainly a tough fold but I would think that it is also probably a correct one.
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#25
07-08-2004, 12:34 PM
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Re: House???
Seems like you will get the last word in anyway. You have failed to provide a response of any intellectual capacity anyway, so I am going to give up here. Other than reading some books, try growing up some and browse the beginner's forum.
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#26
07-08-2004, 12:37 PM
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Re: Q9s -- Big Pot -- Big Draw -- Big Bust
Did you have any thoughts that the SB might hold TT and that he/she figured MP3 for AA?
I can understand the fold, but that is a tough one to make. I hope you were right and one of them had AQ.
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#27
07-08-2004, 12:37 PM
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Re: Q9s -- Big Pot -- Big Draw -- Big Bust
[ QUOTE ]
The fold is correct but honestly I'm not playing this from the BB after a raise... [/ QUOTE ] the preflop call is a no brainer.
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#28
07-08-2004, 12:38 PM
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Re: Q9s -- Big Pot -- Big Draw -- Big Bust
why no 3-bet on the flop? that's the only part I don't like
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#29
07-08-2004, 12:41 PM
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Re: Q9s -- Big Pot -- Big Draw -- Big Bust
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Are you kidding? Q9 suited...Two gapper...maybe Q10...check your PT and see how well you do with Q9...  Its a terrible hand especially when there is a raise and you are out of position... [/ QUOTE ] it's not even close. you're arguing against calling with Q9s getting 11-1. you're just wrong.
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#30
07-08-2004, 12:43 PM
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Re: Q9s -- Big Pot -- Big Draw -- Big Bust
hey josh,
the only reason for not 3 betting the flop is to avoid knocking out the rest of them. nothumb liked it for the same reason, but seems the majority thinks 3 betting is the way to go. I if i had AQ [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], I would in a second - but that doesnt say much. But that remind's me of Joe's J9s and he capped - so bleh. Any numbers that might prove why 3 - betting is better? I am not convinced if this is a good spot to pump for value.
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