My confessional...

[Mackie]

The real bummer is you missed the opportunity to tilt the entire table with zero risk - keep putting in one bet at a time but slow down and think about each bet for a while.

[Ulysses]

OK. Fine. I'll admit it. I did it once. About a year and a half ago, I think.

Board was two diamonds on the turn and I had the nut straight. But I didn't have any diamonds. We went about 12 bets and I finally stopped, since I figured he must be freerolling me. The river blanked, so I bet out, just in case. He raised, and I called, since it was an obvious chop.

I flipped over my cards and he proudly turned over top set. He had about 8BB left. Ugh.

That's the last time I stopped v. an unknown player. I've stopped other times, but it always involves a regular who says something like "El Diablo - we both have KJ, right?"

[Warik]

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Because it's almost just courtesy. You're usually just wasting time. I guess I've never got up to 13 bets before...but I dunno.

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If you've gone 13 bets thinking that your hand is better than your opponents', then haven't you already been very un-courteous trying to take all his money? Why the sudden concern for courtesy?

Actually, why do YOU have to be the courteous one? "Hey! You both have KJ!" Fine - if you both have KJ, let your opponent do the calling.

I don't have the luxury of a no heads-up cap (nor do I have the luxury of a live game higher than $2! ACK!), but if I'm headsup with the nuts and my opponent keeps raising, I'll be needing somebody to help me keep throwing chips in when my arm gets tired.

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Especially with all those other players chanting KJ, only a copmlete moron (which happened to be the case here) would go 13 bets on that board without kj.

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And I'm sure it's not the first time it's happened to anybody... calling the river headsup with the nuts when you could raise is -EV, even if the whole table hates you afterward when you both show the same hand.

[RydenStoompala]

Whose to say the math head would have gone all-in? Maybe his lack of sanity had a basement. I dont know if you lost the opportunity to take another $800, or maybe just another bet or two. Who cares with a pot like that? Oh I know..."this does not happen very often, but when it does you must maximize the profit potential,raising until you run out of money..." When it finally happens to me, I'll let you know how I did. In the meantime, NICE HAND.

[Sponger15SB]

pssshhh you think you guys are pussies, how is this?

$2/4 hold em... (wait is this the mid/high stakes forum? ah screw you)

i had been talking mild [censored] to the guy on my left for some time about his poor play and bad poker theory (ah the irony), so i knew he was pissed at me when this hand came up.

i had QQ in LP, 2 callers to me, I raised, guy in my left calls, my maniac friend limp-reraises, 4 people see the flop.

Flop: Q 7 7

My friend bets, I raise, Guy to my left calls, everyone folds and me and the guy who I talked [censored] to calls. We go heads up to the turn

Turn: 6

I bet, He raises, I reraise, and before I even get my chips in the pot he blurts out "unlimited raising heads up?", he reraises, I just call cause I am confused as hell.

River: blank

I check, He bets, I check-raise (i wasn't quite convinced he had quads and I wanted to see another bet in there), He reraises (my thinking: ah crap), and I just call.

And he turns over pocket 6's.

everyone looked at me like i was crazy for stopping so soon?

[tolbiny]

You should look up the Tommy angelo thread where he calls the floor person over to ask if he still gets the bad beat jackpot if he doesnt call the final bet but mucks his hand face up, the final board is something like 6,6,A,A,A- and his opponant quickly saay "call the bet" and turns over A,9 so that tommy will call. Not only does he attempt to get out of paying one more BB with a very large jackpot- but he does it in such a way that he knows for sure that he will win it.

[J_V]

I never liked this story at all. It's certainly not worth the shirade IMO. You are risking forfeiting the jackpot (by talking about the hand) to save one big bet. Also, you announce to the world that you are trying to be super nitty.

It also looks like you're bragging about the fold, "Hey look at me, i'm folding quads" and w/ tommy we all know that's not the case (since nothing could be more anti-tommy), but perception is reality.

If it were me, I'd just payoff the bet and win the money.

[J_V]

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flop comes QT6...he bets and i call. yeah, i know i could raise here, but i plan on calling til the river, then raising if i miss

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I don't like the raising if you miss part. Maybe calling if you miss. Not raising. Just basic rules for playing against maniacs, better hand not folding, could be reraised by worse. Huge -EV play.

[LuckyBellar]

I am surprised nobody commented on the greatest sin in this post. What is anyone at the table doing commenting on a hand that is in play. This would be a perfect time to go after the first player who interjected his opinion about a chop. You could also go after the dealer for not stopping the table talk immediately. This gives you ample reason to stiff the dealers for an hour or so and partially make up for your timid call.

[Josh W]

First off, lemme say that I posted this on the wrong forum.

Talk to glen or gabe or somebody who has seen me at the hustler. I could run for president of the joint. I know EVERYBODY. I get along with EVERYBODY. And, because of this and other reasons, EV means more to me than dollars and cents. It means common courtesy.

The 'right' play isn't always the most valuable play. it's the RIGHT play. If these were nameless faceless opponents, I would never stop. But when common sense dictates that I'm just wasting time (and, heaven forbid, what happens if the dealer scoops the pot after the betting is done, then needs to chop the 7 or 8 rack pot???), I'll be curteous and stop.

But of course, I made a massive -EV play.

More importantly, I think, to the person who said I shouldn't tip the dealers for an hour cuz they allowed table talk...please.

There's a right way and a wrong way to handle this. Your way is fine for 6 year olds. What should be done, and what was done was....after I folded the next hand, I went up to the person who started talking about the KJ. I politely made sure he saw the error in his ways. He acknowledged that he did, and apologized. Then, once the dealer was pushed, I told her the potential damage by allowing table talk.

SO WHY SHOULD I PUNISH THE NEXT TWO DEALERS FOR ONE DEALERS ERROR? Please. I beg of you...tell me why.

Oh, so that was my $800 mistake. Today I made a (no joke) $12,000 mistake at a poker table. Bleh.

Josh