Have I taken this folding thing too far?

[player1]

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Um, this is a bad fold. Villain has a worse J here a very large % of the time.

Think about this, if he had a monster on this RAGGGGY board, why would he lead? I would be much more happy with folding if he had checkraised you.

I think this is a HORRIBLE fold. People are giving away their money during the early levels, and you should be making these calls with TPTK all day on such a nice flop.

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hypothically, IF someone had position (let's say button was in also) and pushed, is it then a clear fold or at least a tough decision? this is assuming the initial bettor (SB) folded.

thanks,
jc

[lacky]

If you wont play that hand for all your chips when you flop top pair on a completely safe flop, dont waste the 15 chips calling anymore.

[Scuba Chuck]

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If you wont play that hand for all your chips when you flop top pair on a completely safe flop, dont waste the 15 chips calling anymore.

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Ouch.

[gildwulf]

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If you wont play that hand for all your chips when you flop top pair on a completely safe flop, dont waste the 15 chips calling anymore.

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Ouch.

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[Scuba Chuck]

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If you wont play that hand for all your chips when you flop top pair on a completely safe flop, dont waste the 15 chips calling anymore.

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Second thought. I thought Ilya's point had very good merit.

[Degen]

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If you wont play that hand for all your chips when you flop top pair on a completely safe flop, dont waste the 15 chips calling anymore.

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i disagree with this...i'd fold if the A flopped and not the J and the hand played out the same

when i call that 15 there (or raise [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]) what i'm looking for is some donkey to call off too many chips with QJ or an underpair or some other donkey hand...i'm not looking to get resistance

[KKbluff]

I'd call as well.
Most of the time your going to be ahead so I could justify calling.

This is one of those calls I see other people make all the time and lose their whole stack.

In fact, it happens so often, there is a rule to avoid it. Rule: Don't call all-in in unraised pots with only top pair. If someone likes the board that bad, they've got you beat.

If that's me in the blinds, I probably have 62 or J2. I might not necessarily play J6 that fast, but crazy things happen when you have 2 pair with the bottom card, esp a deuce...I play those fast.

If you want to play AJ for top pair value in a monster pot, raise preflop and control the betting.

[soko]

Nobody is raising AJ from the button preflop here? Why are we letting MP1 and the blinds in for a cheap flop?

[schwza]

i'd say raise/limp is pretty close pre-flop. on the flop, i'd call with AJ but i'd toss QJ. probably fold KJ too.