JTs after a reraise preflop

[Marnixvdb]

I like how you played the hand.

The raise PF is ok, since you're building a pot and are setting up fold equity on later streets. No way im folding the reraise. Your opponent just defined his hand (very likely AA/KK, possibly QQ), and you know exactly what you need on the flop to beat him / be ahead of him. And you have a hand that flops good enough often enough to call his reraise, given the depth of the stacks.

On the flop, you have a good draw, but have very little fold equity and are still behind (~45%). There is no reason to c/r or lead anywhere and he gives you the right odds to call. Plus he will almost certainly pay off if you hit.

River is obv fold.

Marnix

[swolfe]

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i didn't, and wouldn't. please read the thread, along with my posts.

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settle down, beavis. i thought that was OP. my bad.

[mason55]

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tripdad u sound like one of those abc whingers at the tables i play at

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why would you ask for advice and then berate the person that gave you the best advice in the thread. if you want help with your game be prepared to face the reality that you're not nearly as good as you think you are.

any hand you post here will be TORN APART. it's good for you. if you can't handle it, please leave and never come back, because if all you want to do is fight with posters who disagree with you, you'll quickly end up on the ignore list of every good poster here. then you'll be left getting advice from the people who have no idea what they're talking about.

[Marnixvdb]

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why would you ask for advice and then berate the person that gave you the best advice in the thread.

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hi Mason,

I presume you missed my advice?

Marnix

PS I'd rather see a discussion as well in this thread in stead of anything else

[SeattleJake]

You're looking for advice on how to play JTs oop against a pre-flop limp-reraiser. The answer: there isn't a great way to play it, so fold it pre-flop. Here you flopped TP+flush draw, and it's still difficult: check-raise the flop, or lead out on the turn, otherwise you have to make the flush in order to win.

This really is a *big* point that you're missing, and _everyone_ is trying to tell you. The best immediate improvement you can make, isn't to figure out how to play this situation, it's to not put yourself there in the first place.

[bkawz]

If some one told you they had a high pocket pair KK-AA, and that you could play for $15 into a $22 pot already ( Pot would be $52 in total). Are you folding or calling with JTs?

[Marnixvdb]

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You're looking for advice on how to play JTs oop against a pre-flop limp-reraiser. The answer: there isn't a great way to play it, so fold it pre-flop. Here you flopped TP+flush draw, and it's still difficult: check-raise the flop, or lead out on the turn, otherwise you have to make the flush in order to win.

This really is a *big* point that you're missing, and _everyone_ is trying to tell you. The best immediate improvement you can make, isn't to figure out how to play this situation, it's to not put yourself there in the first place.

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I really dont understand why everybody is saying that it is so difficult to play this hand postflop, and that you should thus fold this hand in this situation.

I would say it is EXTREMELY easy to play the hand postflop, since you know exactly what your opponent is holding, and the stacks are deep enough to justify the call.

Marnix

[Bukem_]

I'm pretty happy to play any 2 cards when I know exactly what I'm up against.

[TheWorstPlayer]

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I'm pretty happy to play any 2 cards when I know exactly what I'm up against.

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Then you don't know how to make money at poker. Just because you can play perfectly after the flop doesn't mean that it makes up for mistakes you have already made preflop.

[Ghazban]

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I'm pretty happy to play any 2 cards when I know exactly what I'm up against.

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Then you don't know how to make money at poker. Just because you can play perfectly after the flop doesn't mean that it makes up for mistakes you have already made preflop.

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While I normally agree with you, this is a gross overstatement. If stacks are deep and the opponents play poorly, you can make a profit with any two. Here's an extreme case:

Johnny Aces is terrible at poker and you are playing him heads up no-limit holdem with $1/$2 blinds. You each have 1 million dollars in front of you. Despite being horrible at poker, he's extremely lucky and gets dealt AA preflop every single hand. With aces, he always raises to $10 (5xBB) preflop, then goes all-in on any flop. Clearly, any two cards are +EV here.