300/600 AA spewing...

[J.A.Sucker]

Yours should.

[Dave Mac]

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Yours should.

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i also think that both of the hands, you and the button have represented would and should usaully call, or at least one of you.
dave

[dmoney]

Ok so I would like to look at this scenario and distinguish how terrible the SB played this hand. Does anyone else agree with me?

Here is what I’m thinking.

Ok first off 3 betting with KdJd. Pretty risky business. Although with a raise on the button ok I can live with that. It’s a lil suspicious. So ok. But then the BB calls and the Button Caps it. So right there you in a hand that’s capped with a pretty mediocre holding.

So ok. The flop comes Good for the Flush SB. He bets. Ok I like that. I’d do the same.
Ok so the turn is no help to SB and the Button Bets out. So right now there is 5400$ in the pot + 600$ bet by the button making it 6k. So right now he’s getting 10:1 to call. Hell YES im calling with those odds.

Ok so now he calls but then the BB Raises. And UH OH, the Button 3 Bets its back to me. So now lets look at the board.

2 diamonds but also two 10s out there which means that because the 2 other players have overpairs (which is pretty obvious) Hes lost 2 of his outs to hit his flush because if they make their set he could still lose to a FH over a flush. So his odds right now are probably 1:7 ish or close enough. So basically he is getting 9000:1200 pot odds on calling which is pretty much 7:1 So it looks like a correct call but he has to assume that the betting will be capped which gives him 9000:1800 instead of the 9000:1200 that hes actually putting in now. So his implied odds are 1/5. Giving him incorrect odds in calling the raises. So anyways he makes a bad call and calls BUT its not that terrible bad cause it’s a HUGE pot and if he wins he wins big. But still incorrect mathmatically.

So the river comes 6d compelting his flush. Now the SB Checks (you would assume hes checking to let everyone else bet then the BB Bets OK great for the SB, the Button calls (even better for the small blind) then the SB goes to raise……Oh wait. He just calls? If your worried about the nut flush then FOLD much ealier before you invest thousands of dollars into a pot.

He calls capped bets and then just calls the river when he makes the 2nd nut flush? Whats the point of staying in a pot if when you make the hand your hoping for you just call the river bet? Its possibly one of the worst calls ever in my opinion. So anyways, I think the SB played this hand terribly but got rewarded for his idiocy im just happy that he DIDN’T raise and make the other 2 pay him off because they pretty much had to call getting 23:1 to call. So its basically a no brainer call. Im beyond surprised that someone at this level plays this horribly.

What do you all think about my analysis. Give me some feedback about how horrible my post is [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Almtom]

Beutiful hand, i realy realy like the way you play all streets. The way i see it you got maximum value from your hand and its just unfortunate the SB got u on the river.
You manage to get in 4 bets on the turn that just so beutiful.
Did button have KK or AA?

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Im not a 100% sure that i would bet the river thou since to me (and you?) its pretty aparant that the sb is chasing the fldraw, since u dont have Ad maybee id put him on Adxd so i would be afraid of him raising the river. Also i love the fact that u wait until the turn to raise maximum value when safe card dropps!

[J.A.Sucker]

I think your reads are a little too narrow here. Tough players will check behind on the turn with hands sometimes, and that's the last thing you want in a big pot with draws out there. I'm sure he is putting you on a good hand, too. I would have capped up the flop and bet the turn. Since the pot is so large, the button will likely raise you with any overpair, and possibly with AK. I'm glad you got it capped up, though. Betting the river is correct, and folding is not a good idea, as others said. It worked out for you, but you could have left lots of money on the table. I hope you won a monster!

[MitchL]

I think its a bit disconcerting that button is not afraid of 2nd ten. What hand can he put you on? You have shown no initiative until now. Since you have never seen him cap I suppose he could have Kings and put you on a semi-bluff turn raise, but I would be real worried about a hand like 88 or AT. Lastly sb just has to have you beat on river if button doesnt. I know it might sound weak but I like check and call.