Are you looking for 5/10 Limit Holdem in Vegas?

[radek2166]

How bout 2 dollar chips?

[cardcounter0]

I have seen changing the chip demonination really liven up dead game before. Adding a kill pot changes things also.

The problem is, in casino you are pretty much tied to the standard $1-$5-$25-$100 chip structure. You don't see $2 and $3 chips much except in rooms devoted exclusively to poker. Sure casinos have some .50 and $2.50 chips around for 3:2 BJ payoffs. They probably wouldn't want to special order "odd" amount chip in the quantities needed to keep games running. They complain enough about having to have a special set of chips for the roulette tables.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

I always felt that keeping track of pot size was equal in all limit games since I count bets not chips.

I also saw no lack of action at 5-10 in the past. I wouldn't mind seeing it become a staple again, especially since vegas can rarely choke out anything higher than 3-6 in 95% of casinos. It should also be noted that the only casinos that regularly spread higher games than 4-8 are the ones who DON'T put too many games too close together. I'm becoming more and more convinced of this as time goes on. Keep the limits spread far enough apart to keep the smaller games from filtering out the players from the larger ones.

al

[Randy_Refeld]

In today's market a 5-10 should do just fine. The game will have less action than a 6-12 in the same spot would have had, but it can still have plenty of action. In the past in markets where 5-10 has thrived there have always been a large enough supply of inexperienced players to go around. As a market matures and the iniexperienced palyers have either become experienced or quit poker the 5-10 is the first game to dry up because of the chip structure. With the growth in poker a 5-10 in Veas should thrive; I still wouldn't spread it because a 6-12 would do better and I liek to spread games that makes it easier to promote players to higher limits.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

As long as 2-4, 3-6, 4-8 and especially any of these games with a kill or half kill are spread, 6-12 will NOT go and you'll be lucky to get a 5-10.

Aladdin might successfully get 5-10 on a regular basis only if they totally don't spread 4-8 anymore, just keeping it 3-6 and 5-10, but they'll never get 5-10 and 6-12 both going here in vegas, just won't happen.

There needs to be a reasonable jump in stakes between games, if you keep them too close together, the smaller games will always choke off the supply of players to the larger games, because players tend to "round down" rather than up, particularly newer ones.

al

[Al_Capone_Junior]

The game never had any trouble going in atlantic city. I believe the fact that 5-10 is the first "red chip" game makes it more appealing than the "chip structure" might indicate (to those people who are west coast only or vegas only players, who haven't played on the east coast). Trop and Taj wouldn't have had SO many 5-10 games when I used to live out there if the chip structure was SO TERRIBLE. It should be noted tho that 4-8 didn't exist back then AT ALL, it was 2-4, 3-6, 5-10, 10-20, 20-40 for limit hold'em. 15-30 structures basically only existed for stud games ($2 ante, $5 bring-in).

al

[goodguy_1]

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15-30 structures basically only existed for stud games ($2 ante, $5 bring-in).


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this is dead wrong I lived in Ventnor and played B&M for a living almost everyday for a couple years way back in 1995/96 the Taj almost always had at least one $10-20 and one $15-30 going. $15-30 in AC and on the road was my main game the last year and a half of B&M poker.

First game I ever tried to start playing for a living at fulltime was the Taj $5-10 LHE -the game was good back then usually with a couple games/+ going at peak times. Peak times there were always multiple 10-20's and 15-30's going. At really slowtimes the 15 would merge into a 10 or vice versa late nite/early am. This was a long time ago thu I havent played in AC in 7 years.

[Randy_Refeld]

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As long as 2-4, 3-6, 4-8 and especially any of these games with a kill or half kill are spread, 6-12 will NOT go and you'll be lucky to get a 5-10.

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The best progression for games (assuming you do not have $2 and $3 chips) is 3-6 6-12 10-20 (maybe a single table of 1-2 as an introductory game).

If you have $2 and $3 chips I would do 3-6 6-12 and 9-18.

I think spreading $4-$8 is a serious mistake as it seems to consume the limits around it. No 6-12 which means the players can never advance becasue you can't spread a game with just a little gap. $3-$6 to $6-$12 is about the right jump as they are far enough apart that they can both exist and clsoe enough together that the jump isn't too far.

[Photoc]

The only problem with Vegas is this....NO ONE wants to play higher than 3/6 and 4/8 that are on vacation. A "few" players will go try a 10/20 game now and then, but that is about it. Lots of these people that are coming to Vegas (lots for the first time) and just trying out poker live for the first time or hardly have played it at all.

MGM has tried spreading 6/12 and 10/20. The games just dont go anymore and thats the biggest casino in the state with over 5000 rooms. There is only one casino that can even get these games off the ground regularly and thats the Mirage. Does anyone think that if the casinos had the ability to run these games more often based on demand that they would? MGM is even now running more 3/6 than 4/8 games. That kinda says something. It's all 1/2nl, 2/4, and 3/6 that 95% of the tourists want to play. At least 5/10 isn't that "high stakes" of a game that some of them are willing to try it. For some reason that 6/12 is one of the least appealing games in town for people to play. Even though everyone "loves" this game, it's dead. No one plays it except for 1 table at the Mirage.

I give the Aladdin credit for trying something that no one else is trying with the 5/10. It may not be the loosey goosey chip spewing game that 2/4 is, but man, dont shoot down the game before they even get a chance to get it going normally. At least they are willing to give a try and cater to some of the locals looking to move up a little bit and to some of the tourists that are sick of 2/4 and 3/6.

btw, this thread has been majorly hijacked with all the California NL discussion, LOL. Start yer own damn thread [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Randy_Refeld]

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MGM has tried spreading 6/12 and 10/20. The games just dont go anymore and thats the biggest casino in the state with over 5000 rooms. There is only one casino that can even get these games off the ground regularly and thats the Mirage. Does anyone think that if the casinos had the ability to run these games more often based on demand that they would? MGM is even now running more 3/6 than 4/8 games.

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A couple of notes. People on vacation will play whatever game is going. In the old days the MGM had a regular 10-20. Then someone with a high credit line in the pit got check raised by an off duty delaer so the MGM put an end to delaers playing so they had trouble gettign the game started.

There is no incentive for a room to spread higher limits unless it is part of an overall marketing plan with the casino. Larger games break plalyers faster and do not bring in more rake (sometimes they bring in less rake). There is no reason for the MGM to spread 10-20 unless they want to make an effort to have a regular 10-20. Even in the old days when the 10-20 would get started it would go really well and often get more 10-20 started. It is the local nits that want to paly against the hotel guests that get the small games started so that is what is going when the hotel guest comes in to play. The most important thing to someone on vacation is that they don't want to wait to play poker, but to say that they prefer 3-6 and 4-8 to 10-20 is ver misguided.