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#21
05-29-2005, 07:25 PM
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Re: Concerning monkeys
I'm getting horribly off topic lately. Here's an actual answer:
You're going to have to realize that it's your job to adjust to their play. They are playing poorly, they are begging to give you their money. It's up to you to figure out how to do that. K8s is 58% against a random hand, this doesn't make the push necessarily wrong, I haven't done any other calculations, but you should know already that your opponent is a calling station, and you should factor this into your decision. Of course you can't always get a rock solid read on your opponent, but if by level 4 you can't tell who the calling stations are, this is a lapse in your game. You do not want him to start playing better, you want him to keep making stupid calls. It's on you to exploit that. Do not tap the glass. -Phoenix 
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#22
05-29-2005, 07:28 PM
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Missing the bus?
my point in posting this hand is because there are plenty of people who will call pushes with marginal hands in situations similar like this. this is something that i am struggling with a little bit. in a ring game when someone makes a terrible play you profit...in a sng, when someone makes a terrible play similar to the one that i outlined, you dont. this is something that i am having a little bit of difficulty with and i would like to see a semi-intellegent discussion formed about this topic.
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#23
05-29-2005, 07:40 PM
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Re: Concerning monkeys
Thank you for the constructive comments.
To a certain degree, I was playing devils advocate, especially seeing as the original poster felt the need to complain about getting called an losing. I probably would have folded both hands either way. At the same time, however, I know I have problems in my game, especially with a medium stack around 5-6 handed when the blinds are 75-150 or 100-200. My placing distribution does show that 5th and 6th are my bad spots, combining for about 50% of my losses. I do have a 15/8/10/10 1-2-3-4 distribution, so when I get over the hump I usually do pretty well (sample size of around 500, so read into it what you like). I have a pretty good handle on early play and ITM/heads up play, but could use a hand on middle stuff. If you could recommend any good threads on folding equity and pushing at those levels, let me know. I might do a search myself anyhoo...
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#24
05-29-2005, 07:43 PM
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Re: Concerning monkeys
even if he knew i was pushing with what i did, calling with a3 is wrong
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#25
05-29-2005, 07:48 PM
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Re: Missing the bus?
[ QUOTE ]
my point in posting this hand is because there are plenty of people who will call pushes with marginal hands in situations similar like this. this is something that i am struggling with a little bit. in a ring game when someone makes a terrible play you profit...in a sng, when someone makes a terrible play similar to the one that i outlined, you dont. this is something that i am having a little bit of difficulty with and i would like to see a semi-intellegent discussion formed about this topic. [/ QUOTE ] I like this post. I'll kick off the discussion. Four simple points: 1. Know your opponents. Like I said, you should know who the calling stations are by this point in the game. 2. Against said calling stations, keep the pot small (or fold) when you have a less than premium hand. Value bet more often, but smaller. When the blinds are too big to keep the pot small, but not big enough to have a very big overlay, do not play marginal hands against them. You have no FE, you're playing by the strength of your hand alone. 3. When you do have a premium hand, ram and jam against these guys. This is where they double you up, it's what they're waiting to do all day. They live to double you up. 4. Wait until the blinds go up. When the blinds are huge, it will be much easier to isolate the calling station, and get into a probable coinflip or 60/40 with a large bonus. You want to make sure you're a favorite here, since you're going to get called. Push those pairs and A's and K's. There's a ton more to the discussion, and I'd be happy if someone disagreed with my reasoning here. I think this is a good start. -Phoenix
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#26
05-29-2005, 07:52 PM
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Re: Concerning monkeys
easy fold imo. so you shouldnt be mad because you both made mistakes
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#27
05-29-2005, 07:58 PM
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Re: Concerning monkeys
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If you could recommend any good threads on folding equity and pushing at those levels, let me know. I might do a search myself anyhoo... [/ QUOTE ] Check out the visitor histories at teamfu.freeshell.org. Also, if/when $75 isn't too much for you, I'd reccommend getting Eastbay's SNG program at http://www.sitngo-analyzer.com/ Good luck.
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