preflop question

[mythrilfox]

Re-raising is terrible. You open the door to another raise when you very well may have been able to flop a set for a great price. If you put him on QQ-AA you should call even faster.

You can't just go around re-raising every time you have a decent hand to "find out where you are." This will gank you in the long run. Just sit back and play some poker. Especially against predictable opponents like this one sounds, calling here is fine.

[the machine]

but you will only flop a set 1 in 8 times so you have to put in 140$ before you flop the set in the long run and on the 8th time when you call 20 and hit your set it doesnt necessarily mean he is going to pay you off if he is such a great play. jj is a premium hand but need to be protected. reraising is the correct play

[the machine]

just because you have a pair and he has over doesnt mean its exactly 50 50 pre flop, actually ak against jj is a 43 to 57 underdog and 44 against j10 is a 47 to 53 underdog, yes j10s is actually in the lead preflop because of numerous str8 draws and a flush draw

[ThePortuguee]

Under no circumstances pay any attention to anything this poster says. It is 100% wrong.

Do not reraise out of position with JJ. Do not reraise with JJ against a tight raiser.

JJ is going to flop unders frequently enough for you to show strength. A call or fold probably means you're ahead on the flop.

I'd like to reiterate taht you should not pay attention to anything this poster says.

[Siawyn]

You must call. The limper may call as well now and you definitely have set value. This is an easy call for any pair given those stack sizes.

[Tony.T]

I think you got this a little bit mixed up. This is not like in limit poker. Flatcalling with JJ and deep stacks against a tight raiser is a good play. In a fixed game I almost never coldcall preflop, makes the hand easier to play on later streets. This is not the case in NL

[theben]

first i need to say this: in cash games, you should rarely reraise with JJ. do not listen to the "always reraise with JJ" it is bad advice and will lose you money and cost you potential winnings. dont overplay middle pairs in NLHE cash games. its death

folding your JJ is actually not a bad play if you felt implied odds arent there. implied odds are really hard to calculate. if you feel you wont be doubling if you hit a set, then possibly dont call. if you think the limper will call and maybe payoff, that could justify you entering the pot. but if its going to be heads up, and your opponent wont even payoff your set if hes got a hand as good as AA, then implied odds are not there and the call isnt a good idea. he also has position on you, so he has an inherent advantage in the hand should you not make a set and be forced to play your hand as just an overpair. position is really important in hands where its weak hand vs weak hand

[joewatch]

I agree, always reraise w/JJ is bad advice.

However, sometimes reraise w/JJ is OK, especially if you have built your stack a bit and are willing to gamble. I see the pros do it all the time. When the raise comes from CO or button, villain's hand is much more likely to be weak, and you will often win the hand outright preflop, which is +EV w/JJ from the blinds in the long run. When you get called, you can usually put villain on KK-QQ or AKs. If an A flops, you will have lots of fold equity, and if a J flops, you will stack him off if he holds AA-QQ.

For me, JJ is never a fold unless it's there's a raise and reraise, or just 1 oversized raise. You flop an overpair often enough that calling raises is +EV.

[umdpoker]

re-raising with jj preflop is rarely correct. re-raising with jj is the easiest way to give away money to aa/kk/qq. if they re-raise big, you have to lay down without even seeing a flop. qq will often just flat-call.

therefore, a re-raise really doesn't accomplish much. if you get reraised big, you know where you are, but you payed too much for the info. if you get called, you still might be in for an ass-raping.

[joewatch]

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re-raising with jj is the easiest way to give away money to aa/kk/qq.

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True, but it would be a mistake to assume to every raise, or even the majority of raises from late position are AA-QQ.