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Re: 200/400 bellagio AQo
I don't think the various lines you could take on this hand make a real big difference. I would not want to raise the turn though, because that would be the worst place to get 3 bet.
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Re: 200/400 bellagio AQo
You raised a limper. Your raise will not look like a steal to anyone albeit the limper is quite apparently a loose player. sb then makes it 3 bets. He is not restealing or thinking that you are raising lightly.
Yet, you 4 bet with Aq. I think that 4 betting with TT and AK here is a gimme. Not so sure about 4 betting with AQ. In this spot, there is a world of difference between Ak and Aq. I suppose it's a good play if the other guy will drop AK on the turn if he is still pairless. But those kind of guys are few and far between once the pot gets so bloated preflop. No one in this thread is even questioning the AQ 4 bet preflop. I am not saying that it's a bad play - but rarther that it is an iffy play. If someone believes that 4 betting is clearly superior, please outline your reasons. Why the heck would you want to raise. On the turn, raise if fish call. Just call if fish bolds to sb's bet. Then, on the river, you might want to put in a raise because by then, the dude will be too hesitant to 3 bet with AK and in too deep to fold his KK or whatever Of course, (a) he may not bet his KK on the end and therefore you don't get a chance to raise or (b) be a player who will not bet the river unless he has an ace in which case you should obviously just call. |
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Re: 200/400 bellagio AQo
different player than the guy who limped KK. Sorry if that was confusing.
And surfdoc. Knock that [censored] off. |
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Re: 200/400 bellagio AQo
I really think raising the river here is reasonable as long as the river isn't a K or J.
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Re: 200/400 bellagio AQo
I'm with SKP here post flop, but disagree on the pre-flop part. If our OOP slowplaying tricky villain knows that BK is capable of re-raising to isolate, then I can definitely see a wider range of hands he could hold off hoping to isolate BK with. This is not to say he would do so with a crap range of hands, but definitely something legitimate like some pocket pair, Ax, or even Kx could be in his holdings.
Thus I like BK's cap for value. If I am able to get it HU on the turn with our villain, I probably will also smooth call and raise the river. Lawrence |
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Re: 200/400 bellagio AQo
But Lawrence....
...Famous starting words of Jim Brier posts where he disagreed with someone... But Lawrence, on this preflop play, the John Feeney AQ test [which is of course renamed the KJ test in Southern California] says that we should fold AQ to an early position raise. Here, we have the sb - we can't get a more early position - not just raising but 3 betting. Surely, taking the lessons learned from the AQ test, we should be proceeding with some caution. Granted, there may be reasons to 4 bet but those reasons I suggest wouldn't include 'for value'. |
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Re: 200/400 bellagio AQo
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Granted, there may be reasons to 4 bet but those reasons I suggest wouldn't include 'for value'. [/ QUOTE ] Such as not being able to put me on AA-KK-AK when I 4-bet? Of course, the alternative here is "never 4-bet." I'm not a good enough player to know which is better. |
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Re: 200/400 bellagio AQo
BK, since it looks like this thread is dying, can you post the results to this one? Im still curious as to what hand the SB would play this way.
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results
The rest of the hand is pretty unninteresting.
The turn brought the Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] sb checked, fish bet, I raised, sb folded, fish called. River brought a blank the fish check called and mhig. |
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Re: results
I have a quick question for you BK. Im having a little trouble understanding the raise when the spade comes on the turn. I know it gives you two pair but what if the fish was in there with a flush draw. I know the raise gives you info on whether or not he does have the flush but what do you do if he three bets you on the turn?
Im not trying to say I understand these limits what so ever but Id like to understand your thinking regarding this. Do you check/call down or do you fold on the river when he leads out after raising the turn? Thanks |
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