So I raised with my 77 and then

[Derek132260]

Grunch.

What is the flop call about? Personally, I'm folding there. If UTG is loose pre-flop (but no reads telling you he's overly aggressive) and he bets into a preflop raiser with that flop...then I'm betting my pants that he's got K-rag or better. If you are going to continue (for any reason), you're raising that flop...calling and then waiting for the turn to raise is unintelligible to me.

-D

[TXTiger]

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calling and then waiting for the turn to raise is unintelligible to me.

-D

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I thought the reasoning would not be difficult to see, so I didn't include it my earlier posts. The only good reason I see for raising the flop is to get bb out. I'm either giving him 8:1 or 4.5:1.

[jskills]

UTG is awful for limping with that hand, but if I'm in your shoes, I'm not even sure I call the flop bet, much less raise the turn ...

[mosta]

pf raise is standard. utg's lead is a little weird, assuming he's not savvy enough to do it with a jack. it's almost like he wants to get out of the hand with a clear conscience. raising the flop and then being done with the hand wouldn't be bad.