Please look at my 50K stats. I must totally suck.

[tiltaholic]

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Tom,

Thank you. That was awesome. Thank you so much for the reply. I know exactly how I’m gonna change my game.

Other stats that you asked about:

AF:
Pre-flop—0.51
Flop—4.81
Turn—2.43
River--1.23

Total—1.30

Check – Raise on flop – 0.48

Not sure where to get the fold to a river bet (just got PT).


I appreciate the replies, but I can not help but think that some of you are taking shots at me while I’m down. Sure I said some things in the OP that coulda came off cocky, but this is probably a defense mechanism since I’ve been losing lately. And if you check the subject, I even admitted that I suck. This post is about my numbers and that’s it.

Milesdyson,

Obviously you’re not going to help me and that’s okay, but I have to disagree with you.
Poker is not that complicated. You can figure it out. You can read and reread books until your eyes hurt. You can read articles and do practice questions and read forums. You can look at a starting hands chart for long enough and realize that you know it …perfect. You can play tons of hands to get experience. You can figure it out.

Maybe you have and that’s fine. Have you been dealt a bad hand at other aspects in life and that’s why you respond like that towards me?? I must be a bad player cause I have so few posts…

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the only way for people to productively comment on your play is for you to post hands for comments...

some stats can give general respenses.

for example. vpip of 14. people will say you are too tight.

but in order for this to help your play, there needs to be interactivity and effort. there is no magic answer. one of the strengths of these forums is that you could read a smaple hand posted by someone else, in which, say, the poster limps 66 utg. you think to yourself, "hey, i fold 66 utg.". then you post "guys, is limping 66 utg correct?" discussion ensues. minds are enlightened. the way the forums don't work is when people say "i suck poker, help me to win money". then people responsd "yes. you do suck because of x y or z."

poker is NOT simple. it IS complicated. for that reason, posting a few numbers cannot get you anything but superficial responses.

it is highly unlikely you have been running poorly for fifty thousand hands. what you choose to do from here is really up to you....

[deception5]

The problem is that you came here to ask advice on how to improve and then said things like:

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Poker is not that complicated. You can figure it out. You can read and reread books until your eyes hurt. You can read articles and do practice questions and read forums. You can look at a starting hands chart for long enough and realize that you know it …perfect. You can play tons of hands to get experience. You can figure it out.

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Are you trying to say everyone here is an idiot since they haven't "figured out" this simple game yet?

The other problem is that you said you're not going to read anything or post hands. So clearly you aren't all that concerned with really improving and you aren't willing to work at it, you just want a quick fix so that you can go back to 5-tabling without thinking about your play and become a slight winner. Well clearly there is no one word answer that is going to fix your game, the solution is to learn how to play postflop and not just wait for premium hands and bet them to the river.

As has already been pointed out the way to do this is to read "Small Stakes Hold'em" by Ed Miller and post hands you have trouble with. If you tone the attitude back you might even get some helpful responses.

[TomBrooks]

> Tom, Thank you.

Your welcome. Other guys here have helped me, so I pass some along when I can.

> Other stats that you asked about:
AF:
Pre-flop—0.51 Uncheck the preflop box at the top
Flop—4.81 Seems kind of high, but I'm not sure.
Turn—2.43
River--1.23

Total—1.30 Total aggression looks in the ballpark. This number will be higher when you remove preflop which seems to be the standard way to look at it.

> Check – Raise on flop – 0.48

== Show % of possible actions, not c/r on flop. I forget what the good range is, but some guys might know. A couple of guys commented on mine one time.

> Not sure where to get the fold to a river bet.

== About the third thing up from bottom on the detail screen

Good Luck.

[grayhawk]

I would assume that since you posted a "stat check" post that you are going to get responses that evaluate the stats. Since your VPIP is so low, the first place I would start is by posting hands that you folded preflop that you thought were borderline. Read the responses and change your game when appropriate. Once you get a better preflop strategy, then work on the other aspects of your game by posting borderline examples for those as well. Poker IS complicated. Realizing this may be your first step to improving your game. If it wasn't complicated, then you would be able to calculate your odds of winning any given hand precisely. With the amount of unknown information you have to deal with, how can it not be complicated?

[mdplayah]

tom,

if I uncheck the box I get 2.69 for my AF total.

9.40% for fold on the river if i'm checking in the right place.

i'm a moron with the whole check-raise thing so i think i'll give up.

btw,

i would help any one of you guys who came into my office despite some of the comments that have been made towards me.

you guys should just stop bashing me, but i doubt it will happen. people twisting my words into calling people idiots and what not... totally crazy! I'm here to have fun! there are much more serious things in life than poker.

Poker is not that complicated. you can figure it out. debate over. and it's not even close.

[grayhawk]

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Poker is not that complicated. you can figure it out. debate over. and it's not even close.

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I really don't want to get into an argument about this, but let me quote Ed Miller, David Sklansky and Mason Malmuth - 3 guys that know a heck of a lot more about poker than you or me:

From Small Stakes Hold'em, page 26:

"Unfortunatley, poker is not a simple game. Most imporatantly, you do not have complete information. There are 2 important pieces of information that you do not have:

1. Your opponents' cards
2. How your opponents will respond to your action"

In the footnote, they go on to say:

"Actually, it is fortunate that poker is not simple. If it were, everyone would play it well, and you could never gain an edge or win money in the long run."

I'm sure you're a great doctor. You realize you are not a great poker player, which is great, but you dismiss the advice that people here give you (that you asked for, BTW). Consider that your preconceived notion of why you "suck" is just wrong and keep an open mind. That's my advice (that and $3.50 will get you a coffee at Starbucks) - hopefully you won't dismiss it out of hand.

[checkmate36]

Those look like my numbers. 13/5 [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

My November goal is to get those numbers up while making BB's at the same time. I went from 2/4 all the way down to .1/.2 because I really don't have a good grasp of the game and I may as well learn on the cheap until I get it together. The replies on this post have been good reading for me. Nice job guys.

[Koss]

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Poker is not that complicated. you can figure it out. debate over. and it's not even close.

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Poker is not an exact science. It's a game of psychology. Figuring out what your opponents are thinking (or not thinking) and acting accordingly is how you play winning poker. Reading books and sample hands will give you a strong idea how to handle lots of situations, but in the end there is no substitute for understanding your opponents every move and employing the perfect counterstrategy. Poker is complicated, because people are complicated, and you are playing the game against other people. This narrow minded "poker is an exact science" line of thinking is probably one of the things that is holding your game back. Change your attitude about the game, or you will always be one step behind everyone else.

[mdplayah]

yeah,

that's my problem too. I know the ITH chart perfect and have even added a few hands yet I am still getting those results. Remember though that I did win for 8 months so the charts could be decent. you must go by ITH if you are getting those stats right>>??

We should probably add more hands don't you think?? One good way would be to go by the advanced starting hands concepts chapter. I shyed away from that chapter since I don't consider anyone advanced unless they've made over $100K playing poker. But I think I'll add it into my arsenal for the next 50K and see how I fair.

[VoraciousReader]

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This game has completely broken my heart. There must be something else going on here. Please help.

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vs.

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I'm here to have fun! there are much more serious things in life than poker. Poker is not that complicated. you can figure it out. debate over. and it's not even close.

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Hmm. Clearly you are right. Poker is not complicated. You can figure it out. Obviously, you need no help.

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i would help any one of you guys who came into my office despite some of the comments that have been made towards me.

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Once again, you are correct. I am confident that Miles Dyson would have taken a totally different attitude if he had realized you were proposing to pay him. (As I assume you would expect if we were patients of yours.)

On the off-chance this is a serious post, let me try a medical analogy. (Two of my college roommates are now doctors, so I hope I can fake this.)

Suppose a patient called you up on the phone and said.

"My blood pressure is 160/90."
"My temperature is 99.2."
"My pulse is 83 beats per minute."
"Now, tell me what's wrong."

You can write all this down and say, "Well, it looks like your blood pressure may be a little elevated, and possibly your pulse rate, but without knowing what's normal for you and any specifics about your symptoms, I can't really make a diagnosis." That's about as much useful info as anyone can get from a bare statistics post.

Wouldn't it be easier if the patient mentioned that she just fell down a flight of stairs and is experiencing extreme pain in her right leg?

When you are trying to figure out what's going on with a patient, doesn't it help to have symptoms, medical history, and (of course!) any unusual occurrences that may be relevant? And supposing you have 2 patients both complaining of backache. One of them works for UPS lifting packages all day. The other one weighs 300 lbs. Might you not suspect that there may be a different root cause and a different appropriate treatment?

And if you are playing poker, let's say you hold AQo and the player in front of you raises. Shouldn't you consider playing differently if that player has played 500 hands and never raised pre-flop before vs another player who has played 300 hands and come in for a raise in 280 of them?

And shouldn't you perhaps play differently against a thinking opponent vs one that is oblivious? And if you are playing too tight and never stealing blinds, isn't a thinking opponent going to very quickly know to get the heck out of your way any time you DO decide to play a hand?

I'm actually not trying to be snide here (ok, maybe the first little bit was.) I'm trying to be helpful.