I'm all confused all of a sudden

[tech]

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As long as I can tell an opponent is pushing any two, which I very often can, I can profitably call with any A, K, 2 broadway cards, or pair.


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Just because you are a favorite over a random hand doesn't mean it is profitable (in terms of $EV) to call.

[sabre170]

Which is better on the bubble with even stacks?

A. push from button with any 2, when everyone knows you will push with any 2

B. call from BB with top 35%, when button pushed with any 2

I agree it is a matter of style. You might even make a case for both, which takes playing the player out of the game entirely.

Sabre170

[ilya]

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Which is better on the bubble with even stacks?

A. push from button with any 2, when everyone knows you will push with any 2

B. call from BB with top 35%, when button pushed with any 2

I agree it is a matter of style. You might even make a case for both, which takes playing the player out of the game entirely.

Sabre170

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It is not a matter of style. It is a matter of math. If the button knows SB and BB will call very liberally, he should know better than to push any two cards. If the BB knows that button is pushing with a certain range, he should know better than to call just because his hand is an odds favorite over that range.

[Nottom]

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Which is better on the bubble with even stacks?

A. push from button with any 2, when everyone knows you will push with any 2

B. call from BB with top 35%, when button pushed with any 2

I agree it is a matter of style. You might even make a case for both, which takes playing the player out of the game entirely.

Sabre170

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If you know he pushing any two and he knows you will call with your top 35% than he is making the bigger mistake.

But the fact is you are both making mistakes and giving that lost $EV to the other 2 opponents. Just becasue your mistake is less of a mistake, doesn't make it not a mistake.

[ilya]

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I second your remarks.
As long as I can tell an opponent is pushing any two, which you almost never really can,

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ain't wishful thinking sweet

anyway, calling with something like A3o in the situation I described would be pretty bad. You would have to be sure that your opponent was pushing literally _any_ two cards before you could so much as break even $EV-wise.

not saying that you would, just pointing out that merely knowing your opponent is pushing very liberally often still doesn't mean you can call.

[ilya]

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You're "intuition" is off.

Or, you have caught the "push anything from anywhere" disease which seems to be sweeping this forum.

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Actually it was my calculations that were off.
*Given the calling ranges I specified for my opponents*, pushing QTo in that spot would be correct, those close enough that pushing would also be reasonable.
Of course, if even one of my opponents will call with a much wider range than 66+, AT+, KQ - whether because he is making a legitimate strategy adjustment or because he just likes to play sheriff - pushing that QTo becomes unprofitable.

[Moonsugar]

Pushing is probably not correct and you gave the main reason why in your correction post.

[ilya]

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Pushing is probably not correct and you gave the main reason why in your correction post.

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Fair enough. It's quite close, however.