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Old 08-07-2005, 07:21 PM
durron597 durron597 is offline
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Default Re: Easy river value bet?

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I'm thinking you should check or push. I prefer checking...I think. I don't think you should bet small.

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I don't see a worse hand calling a push and a better hand isn't folding so why push?
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Old 08-07-2005, 07:22 PM
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Default Re: Easy river value bet?

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I'm thinking you should check or push. I prefer checking...I think. I don't think you should bet small.

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I don't see a worse hand calling a push and a better hand isn't folding so why push?

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I think plenty of worse hands may call as a push looks much more like a missed draw than a smaller bet. Moreover there's a tiny tiny chance you might get a K-high flush to fold.
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Old 08-07-2005, 07:25 PM
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I think plenty of worse hands may call as a push looks much more like a missed draw than a smaller bet.

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Meh...... plus wouldn't these hands blocking bet?

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Moreover there's a tiny tiny chance you might get a K-high flush to fold.

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Not in a $16.
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Old 08-07-2005, 07:28 PM
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I think plenty of worse hands may call as a push looks much more like a missed draw than a smaller bet.

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Meh...... plus wouldn't these hands blocking bet?

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Moreover there's a tiny tiny chance you might get a K-high flush to fold.

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Not in a $16.

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Yeah you're probably right. I just really don't like a value bet there. Milking an extra 10% or whatever from the pot just doesn't seem worth the risk of a, losing extra when he has nuts and b, getting bluffed out -- a *disaster*
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Old 08-07-2005, 07:28 PM
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Default Re: Easy river value bet?

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Meh...... plus wouldn't these hands blocking bet?


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He already tried that on the turn... it didn't work out well for him.

I understand the arguments for checking, but I would think there's value in betting here at the $16 level.

edit: well, it wasn't exactly a blocking bet, but it sure feels like a Q protecting his hand.
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Old 08-07-2005, 10:08 PM
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edit: well, it wasn't exactly a blocking bet, but it sure feels like a Q protecting his hand.

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Do I make enough from Q's calling to make up for the times I get c/red?
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Old 08-07-2005, 10:39 PM
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Do I make enough from Q's calling to make up for the times I get c/red?

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Likely hands you are ahead of:

Two pair, a Q, a straight, a busted flush draw.

Likely hands you lose to: K high flush

I would be baffled to see a nut flush from my opponent at showdown. They played their hand horrifically in that case. However, it is possible that you beat a K high flush into submission.

I probably couldn't bring myself to fold to a c/r, and that's a good reason not to make a small bet. In addition, even a small value bet is still a high % of our remaining stack.

Do you get paid off enough? I think most opponents don't get to the non-heart river with made hands you beat and then fold to a river bet. At low level SNGs, I expect this kind of play - I could be wrong of course.

As I think I said earlier, checking is a reasonable and good play, especially against quality opponents.
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