KK w/ uncomfortable stack size - What's your plan on this flop? - Page 3

zoobird · #21 10-11-2005, 11:52 AM

Good point. If the range I posted somewhere else in the thread is right, maybe something like K7 also, but I guess there really aren't many. I kind of lost sight of what was actually in the flop other than the A.

Shorty35 · #22 10-11-2005, 01:26 PM

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Really? So if you called from the BB with AT

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I would (almost) never call from the BB with an ace here. However, someone who did will never, ever fold it.

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As usual, I think Adanthar has this one spot on.

While it felt just awful, it seemed to me that the only way to play this was to check call. I also would check AK on this flop quite frequently (I think many solid players would), so I am banking on the fact that my unknown villan is aware of this and might check down a weak A; Leaving me with some stack. Attributing this logic to villan is, of course, inconsistent with someone who would call with a weak A here..but I did only have 30 seconds to decide [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Shorty35 · #23 10-11-2005, 01:39 PM

Turn comes 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], villan makes 1/2 pot bet.

Push, call or fold?

#24 10-11-2005, 01:51 PM

Shorty should have bet more preflop. But now, I would bet the pot back at him. He was probably on the come and missed the flop.

adanthar · #25 10-11-2005, 02:11 PM

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Shorty should have bet more preflop.

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Why?

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But now, I would bet the pot back at him. He was probably on the come and missed the flop.

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Any reason for that statement other than wishful thinking?

edit: if he missed the flop and by extension the turn, why would you raise?

Shorty35 · #26 10-11-2005, 02:16 PM

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Shorty should have bet more preflop,

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Why? I want action with this hand (and with my stack size). And, besides, T400 had been my standard raise at this level.

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He was probably on the come and missed the flop.

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On the come for what?

ZeroPointMachine · #27 10-11-2005, 02:25 PM

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Really? So if you called from the BB with AT

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I would (almost) never call from the BB with an ace here. However, someone who did will never, ever fold it.

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If villian called with any Ace he will almost never bet this flop(he expects you to) and will never fold this hand.

#28 10-11-2005, 02:27 PM

Don't pick up KK with that stack [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img].

Since you screwed that one up pretty badly, I bet 500 or 600 pot and fold to a raise.

I think adanthar's line is okay too, except that it's much higher variance as it frequently ends with you calling a few bluffs/value bets.

jcm4ccc · #29 10-11-2005, 02:28 PM

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Don't pick up KK with that stack [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img].

Since you screwed that one up pretty badly, I bet 500 or 600 pot and fold to a raise.

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preflop? or on the flop?

Koss · #30 10-11-2005, 02:33 PM

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I would (almost) never call from the BB with an ace here. However, someone who did will never, ever fold it.

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It took me a few early exits from tourneys to learn this lesson. Nothing like raising with queens, getting called by the BB, watching AT7 flop and then getting stacked by A3.

This hand sucks. There's really nothing else out there he could have hit. If there is atleast one other high card on the board I could call him down with more confidence that he's betting something like a pair of jacks if the board was AJ5. I call on the turn, and hope he checks the river.