revisiting old post

[Slim Pickens]

This depends on your opponent's pushing range, as with most 3-handed cases, quite a bit. Not knowing him, I call against a typical opponent at any level. The problem with assuming everyone is a "typical opponent" is that it never allows you to adapt in these situations where your opponent's range of hands makes a big difference in your EV.

[barry111]

play for first, meaning CALL.

[Slim Pickens]

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play for money, meaning CALL.

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FYP

"Playing for first" is just such awful reasoning it makes me want to kick puppies.

[Sabrazack]

I agree, maybe not the puppy kicking part though.

Oh, and i call.

[citanul]

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play for money, meaning CALL.

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FYP

"Playing for first" is just such awful reasoning it makes me want to kick puppies.

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fu, i like puppies.

it makes me want to kick cute little bunnies.

citanul

[curtains]

Ok first of all this is a very easy call. SNGPT has it as like +1.3% EV (A ridiculously huge amount considering how high my EV already is) assuming that the hand my opponent pushed is the absolute worst hand he would ever push. Now we can assume he might even push weaker hands, but who knows.

To make a long story short, folding is ridiculous. The math can prove it, no amount of abstract future game situations should make up for this.

Also I was much weaker player then so forgive the few stupid things I say. I had only instinct, not math, to back me up then.

Here is the link:

http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/...;o=&fpart=



Also note that from a theoretical standpoint (ie all opponents play perfectly, and you are shooting for the highest EV for this hand), I believe that the SB should push somewhere around 55% of hands, whereas the BB should call about 27%. Forgive me I did those numbers last night, and they may be off by a few % points.

[Fatdogs12]

Even if I knew for a fact that he was pushing KQs, I would still call. You are still ahead, you got him covered, and the blinds are insane. What else is there?

[Slim Pickens]

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Ok first of all this is a very easy call. SNGPT has it as like +1.3% EV (A ridiculously huge amount considering how high my EV already is) assuming that the hand my opponent pushed is the absolute worst hand he would ever push. Now we can assume he might even push weaker hands, but who knows.

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Well, you can invent SNGPT ranges where folding is correct, but unless you had some very odd read, you'd be wrong to put any "normal" opponent on a range that tight.

For the record, I like puppies, but people justifying decisions on the basis of "playing for first" just really pisses me off, enough that I might do something like kick a puppy. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] I would then regret kicking the puppy.

[Gramps]

FWIW, I think the 215 public in general has opened up their calling standards of big stack bullying (since it was so effective and everyone started doing it), so while a fold + running over the table may have been the highest $EV play at some point in the past, it clearly (IMO at least) isn't now (against most players/in most situations). Around Feb./March is when I really started noticing a change, following an influx of a number of hyper-aggressive players (who, without fail, would use the "push like a maniac with the big stack" strategy).

Wow has gigabet changed.