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#1
10-27-2005, 12:46 AM
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Re: I hit my draw...now what?
Does anyone else like a 3bet on the flop. Or am I just obsessed with jamming draws into large fields.
I donk/3bet. Mainly to get the guy stuck in the middle. JT [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 
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#2
10-27-2005, 01:06 AM
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Re: I hit my draw...now what?
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Does anyone else like a 3bet on the flop. Or am I just obsessed with jamming draws into large fields. [/ QUOTE ] If the flop action had gone bet/mass call, I'd intended to check/raise. But when CO raised and it was already down to 3-handed, I didn't want to 3-bet OOP and risk losing another opponent.
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#3
10-27-2005, 02:35 AM
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Re: I hit my draw...now what?
You can bet/3bet, bet and call the raise and go for overcalls, or go for the check raise (which I think is worst because 1)i know the is rare but getting checked thru would suck and 2) i think you will get 3 bet here enough that checkraising makes the least money.
i'm hoping those are the 3 lines.
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#5
10-27-2005, 04:47 AM
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Re: I hit my draw...now what?
Bet/call...i have no idea what utg has but it would seem like kk qq ...if this is the case and u donk the river , he calls, then the CO 3 bets you could either:
a.)reraise or b.) call ....clearly If you reraise : you will knock out the UTG who you have beaten almost always you will give the CO the chance to raise you when he has you beat(I'm thinking about one in 3 here he has you beat) SOOOO I'd just call
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#6
10-27-2005, 07:44 AM
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Re: I hit my draw...now what?
I'm just throwing this out there:
...but I initially would have replied c/r on the river, until I started reading everyone's replies. I figured betting would give everyone odds to call (almost 13 to 1) where it seems very likely that CO will bet, you can raise, and at least make UTG face two bets cold for about 7.35 to 1. Now since most everyone is saying to at least bet, I don't know. Can someone explain why my reasoning is incorrect?
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#7
10-27-2005, 09:05 AM
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Re: I hit my draw...now what?
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I'm just throwing this out there: ...but I initially would have replied c/r on the river, until I started reading everyone's replies. I figured betting would give everyone odds to call (almost 13 to 1) where it seems very likely that CO will bet, you can raise, and at least make UTG face two bets cold for about 7.35 to 1. Now since most everyone is saying to at least bet, I don't know. Can someone explain why my reasoning is incorrect? [/ QUOTE ] The problem with check-raising is it will likely scare off UTG, as it's unlikely he'll call two cold without an A. This means, we gain no BBs from check-raising and open ourselves up to the possibility of a 3-bet. We want to trap UTG here, rather than force him into making a correct fold. Hope that helps clarify the decision not to check-raise.
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#8
10-27-2005, 08:22 AM
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Re: I hit my draw...now what?
I think bet/call is optimal here. I believe the transparency of your holding is being a little overlooked here. Based on your play throughout and your sudden spring to life on the river I think most 5/10 opponents will confidently assign you a straight or greater. Thus, I think you're rarely raised by less than a full house.
Anyway, all the main benefits of this line haven been explained well by others, so I thought I'd add this to the list. Disclaimer - I only jumped on 5/10 last week and only have around 2500 5/10 hands under my belt, and thus may be overrating our opponents a little.
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#9
10-27-2005, 01:46 PM
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Re: I hit my draw...now what?
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Disclaimer - I only jumped on 5/10 last week and only have around 2500 5/10 hands under my belt, and thus may be overrating our opponents a little. [/ QUOTE ] You are overrating them by a LOT, IMO. The idiots at 5/10 are like Walter from The Big Lebowski -- their stupidity manifests itself in unexplainable brinksmanship and aggression. Mark it zero dude. You are entering a world of pain. Etc, etc. Coming from 2/4, it was an interesting transition to say the least... but the play is just as bad, though in different ways.
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#10
10-27-2005, 10:41 AM
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Re: I hit my draw...now what?
How often is UTG calling our donkbet on the river? It looks as if he has KK-JJ and wants to call down to see the A that cutoff has. Now, the guy in front of him bets out. He's got to be thinking of letting this go a large percentage of the time, no? Not only does the guy behind him probably have an ace, but now the guy in front of him donkbets the river and if he calls, he'll probably get raised. Sure, he could be a really bad player and call anyway, but how does that affect the line?
I'm thinking maybe now we should C/R if we assume UTG is going to fold anyway and then call a 3-bet.
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