Attitudes Around Here

[Dazarath]

On one hand, I do agree that some of the responses are out of line on this forum. It's not necessary to berate new posters so harshly. On the other hand, a lot of new posters don't come with the attitude that they are inexperienced players who are looking to learn. No, they want to discuss their already-made skills, which don't exist. This is going to generate a lot of negative response.

From a different viewpoint though, this is the way I see it. It's kind of in line with what CSC said. If a player truly wants to learn, they'll deal with all the crap in order to be able to have access to the knowledge that this community of poker players has. Tx has shown that he wants to learn. I'm pretty sure most people would not have hung around after all the crap he had to take. But the rewards were worth it. He's learning as a player and he's taking less crap. I admit that I didn't have to deal with as much criticism as he did, but I also didn't come in with the same attitude.

[Ulysses]

You are very nice.

[J.A.Sucker]

FU Diablo.

[Lestat]

When a new player asks a question and an experienced player is nice enough to take the time to answer that question, and instead of thanks, the experienced player receives a smart-ass indignant reply from the new player... Why do you think the experienced player is out of line for getting teed-off?

Maybe you like a good kick in the nuts after doing a good deed, but others take exception to it.

Les,

I think the point barry is trying to make is along the lines of the continued abuse. Take Daryns post about me just today. The guy wont let up. I've jabbed back, but, I know a friend of mine who tried posting some hands in the NL section and was ridiculed for it.

Agreed, I had a bad attitude at first, but, when I recant and apologize, and still recieve blatant abuse, it's just not cool for 2+2 and it's purpose.

[Lestat]

I wasn't referring to you in particular, but I agree that you've taken more than your fair share of ridicule and it should've subsided by now, especially since your public recantation. Personally, I stopped ridiculing the second you showed some sign of humility (which I think is an important trait for a successful poker player to have btw-), the first or second day.

Unfortunately, for some people, first impressions are lasting ones, and while you can argue the length of the sentence, you can't dispute the initial cause or crime.

[Alex/Mugaaz]

I stopped posting any of my hands long ago and I really haven't felt regret in doing so. 2+2 is now/always was a groupy/clubby place and that's just the way it is. I have long since lost any interest at all in fitting in. The #1 use I get out of this website is reading hand discussions between the pompous asses (who are also the better players here). I can still get quite a bit of use from this site regardless. People have a right to be assholes here, you're asking for help and offering nothing in return, so it's not like you can complain. People expecting some type of helpful egalitarian society here are really asking for a bit much. Not only is helping people for nothing beyond kind, it's also at detriment to themselves. I think the boards would be better off if people stopped with the stupid 1 liners and instead simply responded with nothing.

[jba]

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I stopped posting any of my hands long ago and I really haven't felt regret in doing so. 2+2 is now/always was a groupy/clubby place and that's just the way it is. I have long since lost any interest at all in fitting in. The #1 use I get out of this website is reading hand discussions between the pompous asses (who are also the better players here). I can still get quite a bit of use from this site regardless. People have a right to be assholes here, you're asking for help and offering nothing in return, so it's not like you can complain. People expecting some type of helpful egalitarian society here are really asking for a bit much. Not only is helping people for nothing beyond kind, it's also at detriment to themselves. I think the boards would be better off if people stopped with the stupid 1 liners and instead simply responded with nothing.

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I could never have expressed my opinions on 2+2 as accurately as this right here

[surfdoc]

Great post.

The only thing that I think you should have added on this same line is how ridiculous it is when the regulars constantly belly ache about how bad the forums are getting and therefore stop posting helpful, solid advice. This really only creates a self fullfilling prophecy. It makes no sense to me that experienced posters talk about starting their own forum so that the noobs won't degrade the discussion. What happened to giving a little back? We were all noobs at one time..only a few of us still play and post like noobs.

Great post. I found instant hostility when I started posting here, and responded with hostility. Probably shouldn't have, but what's done is done. I find most of the posts on here totally useless. Every once in a blue moon there's some really solid advice or someone you can tell is making a genuine attempt at talking legit strategy and not just stroking their own egos. But not often.