Pokernomics.com: A Major Project Collecting Hand Histories

[The once and future king]

Hmmmm.

I sent a long email to this economist guy first explaining to him about chip and dollar EV models and fold equity etc etc and said this would be a far better thing to investigate than there original idea for analysis which was poker luck or skill (duh) or sumthing equaly obvious/dumb which was on the freakonomics website about a 2 months ago.

I wanted him to look at current models and explained in depth some of the issues sorrunding SNG theory.

I never got a response for this email, but now this happens.

Nice to see that your ideas have been ripped off without even a thankyou for your input. Though that is how the world of academia works.

[jcm4ccc]

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Hmmmm.

I sent a long email to this economist guy first explaining to him about chip and dollar EV models and fold equity etc etc and said this would be a far better thing to investigate than there original idea for analysis which was poker luck or skill (duh) or sumthing equaly obvious/dumb which was on the freakonomics website about a 2 months ago.

I wanted him to look at current models and explained in depth some of the issues sorrunding SNG theory.

I never got a response for this email, but now this happens.

Nice to see that your ideas have been ripped off without even a thankyou for your input. Though that is how the world of academia works.

[/ QUOTE ] Yeah, poker is such an obscure little game that I'm sure he would have never thought of analyzing it without your email. The bastard.

[vinyard]

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Hmmmm.

I sent a long email to this economist guy first explaining to him about chip and dollar EV models and fold equity etc etc and said this would be a far better thing to investigate than there original idea for analysis which was poker luck or skill (duh) or sumthing equaly obvious/dumb which was on the freakonomics website about a 2 months ago.

I wanted him to look at current models and explained in depth some of the issues sorrunding SNG theory.

I never got a response for this email, but now this happens.

Nice to see that your ideas have been ripped off without even a thankyou for your input. Though that is how the world of academia works.

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Yeah. To be fair when I was in undergrad there (I actually completed an Economics degree as well but at the time you were allowed to "double major") there was tons of chatter about poker re: game theory and the like. Don;t get me wrong I am sure he stole your idea but its something that has been perculating there for a while. With the poker explosion and Leavitt essentially being a "pop" economist it was inevitable that his "academic" work and poker would intersect.

[The once and future king]

No, they had expressed an idea to study poker, but couched it in terms that came over as totaly naive and dumb. They wanted HHs to see if Pros realy had any skill to influence the outcome.

I wrote to them to point out and explain how dumb this was and how there are more intresting things for an economist to look at such as models that translate chipEV to DollarEV. lo and behold a few months later I see they have changed there whole mode of inquiry. Coincidnece maybe maybe not.

[45suited]

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Anyone who submits 10,000+ of their own hands will receive a free analysis of their play. People submitting more than 30,000 hands will receive an analysis and a signed copy of his New York Times bestselling book "Freakonomics: A Rogue Economist Explores the Hidden Side of Everything". If you submit a hand history with more than 50,000 hands you will also receive a Freakonomics t-shirt.

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So, when he sells his book, is he going to accept T-shirts as payment? If you're going to spam the forum, at least offer money in exchange for the HHs which will be used for a book that will be sold for profit.

Better yet, pay 2+2 for advertising like real advertisers do.

[gumpzilla]

While it is quite likely that they would try and put a book together, I also think that there's a decent chance if they really are doing this academically that the results will be published in journals which are pretty widely accessible (though also not free). I also think that it would be interesting to see people do some kind of large scale analysis of this data, just to see what they're looking for and how they look for it. As such, I think this is pretty interesting and I don't really consider it spam.

[45suited]

I respect your opinion as much as anyone on this forum, but I have to disagree with you on this one.

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While it is quite likely that they would try and put a book together, I also think that there's a decent chance if they really are doing this academically that the results will be published in journals which are pretty widely accessible (though also not free).

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Whether or not a book comes out for sale (which likely will occur) is irrelevant IMO. A researcher's livelihood is based upon his research. So directly or indirectly, he is trolling for business. To me, this is advertising. When researchers conducting medical studies look for participants, what do they do? Place want ads in the classifieds. These guys could easily pay 2+2 for legitimate advertising on these pages but have chosen not to and instead advertise via posting. To me, this is classic spamming.

It may be interesting, but it is still spam in my opinion.

[dchandler321]

Firstly, I'd like to apologize to those of you who see these threads as a spam. I did not intend to offend anyone. I have since been in contact with the 2+2 forum moderator and have agreed not to repost threads that "advertise" for the pokernomics website.

I think it's important to recognize that many people do not view this as spamming and are happy to have the opportunity to share their hand history, contribute to research in the field of poker and get a free analysis, book and t-shirt out of it. Many people have been excited about the project and for them this has certainly not been a spam. If pokernomics were a blinking banner next to "100% bonus up to $100!!!", they might have overlooked it. I also think that a place to discuss the project can be beneficial.

Pokernomics is also undertaking a large expense giving incentives directly to those who participate in the project. Given the non-profit nature of the project and the fact that so many people might want to talk about it or contribute, i did not think that posting to forums would be offensive. Still, I intend to fully comply with the moderator's request and to no longer initiate threads.

I have also contacted the people in charge of advertising for this forum, though I'd have much rather prefered to get the word out in a way that allows people to communicate and discuss the project.

[fnord_too]

Any particular type of hands you want? (That is ring game, MTT, STT, limit, no limit, etc?)

[wuwei]

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Any particular type of hands you want? (That is ring game, MTT, STT, limit, no limit, etc?)

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Looks like they want any hands played for real money. There is more information about what they are seeking on the website.