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Re: 10x Rule (again) - leak in my game
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The 10xBB rule, or 9XBB, depending on opinion, I always assumed was based on the mathematics of pot odds, unless you're raising with total garbage for a steal (ie, 83o). Because at this stack size, there isn't a hand worth folding to a reraise. I don't see how the 10BB rule doesn't apply the same in all cases, save for extreme bubble examples where others have smaller stacks than yourself. [/ QUOTE ] I'll give you a simple example .... and there are many. You have 1400 left, blinds 75 150. 5 left. You have KQs. You bet 450 and someone puts you all-in. You know him. he is tight, he respects your raises, he only plays good hands, he isn't shorter stacked than you. In this case - for example - Bayes theorem - easily outweighs pot odds (or at least misapplied excuse to call - pot odds). In other words, when you are up against an opponent that will respect your raises - 3x or 10x - and who will have a big hand if he rereaise (ie a good player) then there is no need to 10x raise and it is asking for trouble. IMHO |
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Re: 10x Rule (again) - leak in my game
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You have 1400 left, blinds 75 150. 5 left. You have KQs. You bet 450 and someone puts you all-in. You know him. he is tight, he respects your raises, he only plays good hands, he isn't shorter stacked than you. [/ QUOTE ] Well, in this example, I actually have slightly more than 9BB, which is my personal all-in/fold level, based on some work I've done comparing pot odds stuff. But, with a hand like KQs, I might call depending on position. If this was a reraise from the BB to my SB bet, I'm not laying down this hand. But, in this scenario, I'd rather have 98s, than KQs. Do you see why? [/Sklansky] [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] |
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But, in this scenario, I'd rather have 98s, than KQs. Do you see why? [/Sklansky] [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] LOL because you guess that 89s is less likely dominated than KQs, but frankly in most S&Gs late game, I disagree with this assessment. Do you see why? |
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Re: 10x Rule (again) - leak in my game
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[ QUOTE ] But, in this scenario, I'd rather have 98s, than KQs. Do you see why? [/Sklansky] [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] LOL because you guess that 89s is less likely dominated than KQs, but frankly in most S&Gs late game, I disagree with this assessment. Do you see why? [/ QUOTE ] Heh. I was kidding, of course. I'd rather have KQs in this situation as well. |
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Re: 10x Rule (again) - leak in my game
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But, in this scenario, I'd rather have 98s, than KQs. Do you see why? [/ QUOTE ] Please tell me why, because I am dense. Is it because you have more live combinations in the deck for the straight? And because both of your hands are unique? |
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Re: 10x Rule (again) - leak in my game
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In other words, when you are up against an opponent that will respect your raises - 3x or 10x - and who will have a big hand if he rereaise (ie a good player) then there is no need to 10x raise and it is asking for trouble. [/ QUOTE ] Won't that good player be good enough to force that decision on you every time you give him the opportunity? Or is he not _that_ good? |
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Re: 10x Rule (again) - leak in my game
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[ QUOTE ] In other words, when you are up against an opponent that will respect your raises - 3x or 10x - and who will have a big hand if he rereaise (ie a good player) then there is no need to 10x raise and it is asking for trouble. [/ QUOTE ] Won't that good player be good enough to force that decision on you every time you give him the opportunity? Or is he not _that_ good? [/ QUOTE ] No, not at all, that would be suicide. He is a good patient player as well. And he has seen me play good hands throughout our relationship. Off topic, but it is another reason one should (usually) bet the same amounts for raising hands so that people can't distinguish between AA, KK and lessor hands. |
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Re: 10x Rule (again) - leak in my game
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] In other words, when you are up against an opponent that will respect your raises - 3x or 10x - and who will have a big hand if he rereaise (ie a good player) then there is no need to 10x raise and it is asking for trouble. [/ QUOTE ] Won't that good player be good enough to force that decision on you every time you give him the opportunity? Or is he not _that_ good? [/ QUOTE ] No, not at all, that would be suicide. He is a good patient player as well. And he has seen me play good hands throughout our relationship. [/ QUOTE ] I see, but now that you're short-stacked, your raising requirements have expanded greatly. He knows that you're not raising only AA|KK|AK, so, over time, he'll make you fold more than you'll call in this precise circumstance. |
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