TPNK in large pot

[JerseyTom]

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In this situation though, I would probably fold to the turn raise with your kicker counterfeited and most likely splitting at best.

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Agreed. You're either drawing (slim) to a split or you're completely pwned. Not good times...

I think I might have checked this flop and folded if button bet and got any overcalls.

Given the way you played it, I'm so folding the turn.


Tom

[Guruman]

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IMO, the biggest mistake was the pf call. Even though this was a multiway hand AXs has to hit the flush draw to have much worth against multiple opponents.

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flame goggles on.

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Are you putting your pattern-mapping goggles on, too? If you've got the multiway pot with Axs, what else are you looking for?

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reads and position. I'll limp with AXs late in a passive game after 2 limpers. I'll muck it in mp after 2 limpers in an aggressive game. Hero didn't know where he was yet.

I play tight though. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[silkyslim]

Pf I think is fine. Can someone explain why I check/call the flop? Turn fold is the right play

[Aaron W.]

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IMO, the biggest mistake was the pf call. Even though this was a multiway hand AXs has to hit the flush draw to have much worth against multiple opponents.

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Are you putting your pattern-mapping goggles on, too? If you've got the multiway pot with Axs, what else are you looking for?

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reads and position. I'll limp with AXs late in a passive game after 2 limpers. I'll muck it in mp after 2 limpers in an aggressive game. Hero didn't know where he was yet.

I play tight though. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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You mean 16/8 tight or tighter?

Axs has good value in an aggressive game because you stand to make much more in implied odds than in a passive game. In an aggressive game, a pair of aces may also win more often because players will be pushing moderate hands stronger (trying to "represent the ace").

I would call the turn. Your immediate pot odds are 9.75-to-1, and I think there's a decent chance (maybe 20%??) you have him beat right now, based on the possibility that he has JJ, flush draw, or straight draw. I think that, of these possibilities, JJ is most likely because he came alive when Jack came on the turn (he could have reasonably raised pre-flop with QJs). It would also help explain why he wouldn't bet on the flop (he could have been calling based upon straight draw, backdoor flush).

Assuming he's a reasonable player, I think the most likely hands he could have raised pre-flop here are either KK or AA. He could easily be slowplaying a set of Kings or Aces on the flop.

Another distinct possibility is KJs, which would also explain why he would then bet the turn. However, I admit that I would have thought he would raise the flop with this hand, but perhaps someone can explain why that might be a good play for him???

Regardless of his most likely hands, however, a reasonable player could have QJs, and an unreasonable player could have something else entirely, thus giving you a good enough chance to call the turn IMHO.

Also IMHO: I question why you would call the pre-flop raise with A3s.

[silkyslim]

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Also IMHO: I question why you would call the pre-flop raise with A3s.


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I had already limped when he raised, so I called for 1 more bet.

[@bsolute_luck]

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Pf I think is fine. Can someone explain why I check/call the flop? Turn fold is the right play

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what cards are you scared of coming on the turn that would fold to your 1 bet on the flop? they're already drawing thin, plus what hands do you think Button has that he'll reraise you with? probably only hands that beat you and if i had AA-KK, i'd simply call too knowing the rest of the field is drawing nearly dead.

i think there's more to it too, but that's all i got right now [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Guruman]

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Also IMHO: I question why you would call the pre-flop raise with A3s.

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If you're in, you're in and you're getting great odds to call and flop a flush draw. The rule of thumb is usually that you should never limp with a hand that cant stand to call a raise.

I see the arguments that I'm getting here for limping in the first place, but I still prefer to limp with weak suited aces late as opposed to middle. Mucking preflop would have saved us from an ugly situation where the aggressor ended up behind us.

I think if you're going to check/fold the flop when you spike your ace here (not a particularly bad plan btw), you should have just folded preflop anyway.

Again, we've got no table image and no reads - so who know what anyone thinks about our calls and raises here. Walking around in the dark...

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IMO, the biggest mistake was the pf call. Even though this was a multiway hand AXs has to hit the flush draw to have much worth against multiple opponents.

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I disagree.

you have 2 two limpers before you in MP2 and SSHE has this as a call in MP even for tight games. your chances of having at least a (weak) ovecard + BDFD are huge + you can easily discard if you didn't hit anything. I never fold this in MP with 2 limpers before me.

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I thought the advice in SSHE (keeping in mind it's just a general rule) was to call an unraised pot with A3s from middle (or any) position, and to only call a raise from late position if 4 had entered the pot before you???

[Fantam]

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Pf I think is fine. Can someone explain why I check/call the flop? Turn fold is the right play

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On the flop, no overcards can come to your A top pair, so it is relatively difficult for someone to draw out on you if you are ahead. So it is not as important to worry about trying to knock players out.

And if you are behind, check/calling costs you the least bets to see a showdown.