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Re: Screwed up Bellagio 3k Bubble
I'd fold PF.
I'm not playing 77 on the bubble if I can't play it without thinking about the consequences, which are real or we wouldn't be having this post. After your opening bet there is 31K in the pot. On this flop I'd be pot committed and I'd bet out. It's a little late to worry about the bubble, seeing where you're at and hoping you'll get paid. |
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Re: Screwed up Bellagio 3k Bubble
Well, I just talked with Jack McClelland and of course they won't change a thing; but he gave me a comp dinner for 4 though; I guess my most expensive dinner ever.
Well, lesson learned, even if it sucked I should have waited for a direct statement from the tournament director at that point before calling with my chips. I'm pretty sure he didn't say a word when I asked because he didn't want to affect the other 2 players, but still I didn't have to act and I should have demanded an answer from him before acting. I'm pretty sure my internet background affected me in this one. When the guy went out in the other table in the internet that's an automatic 20th place and then hand by hand start, since the other guy in my table has almost no chips, that was an automatic 19th in my head, for some reason, I still asked !! but in the heat of the moment and with so many people talking I took the lack of answer by the floor as a confirmation of what everybody was saying; a $4640 mistake I'm pretty sure the other 2 guys in the bubble really apprecciate. On a more important thing, I really need to work in my enjoying of tournaments results; when I'm playing I feel great, but after my 4th place finish and this bubble I felt so frustrated. Twice in the money out of 6 tournaments played and I feel so bummed; how sick is that. |
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Twice in the money out of 6 tournaments played and I feel so bummed; how sick is that. [/ QUOTE ] Ambition is a good thing. Good luck in the main event. |
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Re: Screwed up Bellagio 3k Bubble
I realize $4K is a lot of money, but you really shouldn't worry so much about the bubble anyway. You should be playing for the top spots at the final table.
If I am multitabling a $20 online 20-table tournament, I am not going to be too concerned about getting $40 for making the 2nd table. I am looking for the $1080 for 1st and the other top prizes. Similarly for a $300 live tournament. Just because the stakes are bigger, you shouldn't let the bubble cloud your judgement. Congratulations on a good finish in a big tournament. |
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Re: Screwed up Bellagio 3k Bubble
uh..
you absolutely should let the bubble "cloud your judgement" if thats what it takes to make the best decision. The bubble isn't to be just ignored. Yes first place is a lot of money, but that doesnt mean you just ignore 1.5 or so buyins that you could get just by folding. |
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uh.. you absolutely should let the bubble "cloud your judgement" if thats what it takes to make the best decision. The bubble isn't to be just ignored. Yes first place is a lot of money, but that doesnt mean you just ignore 1.5 or so buyins that you could get just by folding. [/ QUOTE ] The 1.5 buyins has some value, but when you are this close to the big money, it shouldn't be your main consideration about folding a hand where you are not sure if you are ahead. If hero called and won this hand, he probably would have had a good chance at the final table and much buger money. This is not to say I think the call was correct. I am not as good a player as OP, but I wouldn't have played this hand as he did on any street. |
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[ QUOTE ] uh.. you absolutely should let the bubble "cloud your judgement" if thats what it takes to make the best decision. The bubble isn't to be just ignored. Yes first place is a lot of money, but that doesnt mean you just ignore 1.5 or so buyins that you could get just by folding. [/ QUOTE ] The 1.5 buyins has some value, but when you are this close to the big money, it shouldn't be your main consideration about folding a hand where you are not sure if you are ahead. If hero called and won this hand, he probably would have had a good chance at the final table and much buger money. This is not to say I think the call was correct. I am not as good a player as OP, but I wouldn't have played this hand as he did on any street. [/ QUOTE ] didn't OP say that he wasn't anywhere close to the "big money" betgo, your reasoning seems really, really bad here. |
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but you really shouldn't worry so much about the bubble anyway. You should be playing for the top spots at the final table. [/ QUOTE ] Huh? So, I have a short stack and raised with 77 UTG !! with 20 players left and then called JC Tran bet in the flop based on my read and I'm concerned about the bubble [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] That said, you should make decisions that make you the most money at all the points in a tournament. If you are in the bubble you make decisions about the bubble situation, because they are clear and of course you're still trying to maximize your chances to win the tournament; but I think you can't decide to win a tournament with 20 people left. Some of you guys act like when in the bubble and faced with a decision the options are: a) Caring about the bubble, making the money and not winning the tournament ever because you care about the bubble b) Not caring about the bubble, taking risks even stupid ones and winning the tournament because you're some kind of poker superhero who just cares about winning the tournament I can assure you that the problem is a little more complex than that. |
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