Another AK OOP Hand...

[Mr. Sakuraba]

I just dont see how you can fold against 12/80 odds. Every book ive ever read or good player ive talked to would agree.

[nietzreznor]

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the point of the bet is to set my price for showdown, so if he raises and I call anyway because I'm getting good odds, the bet is pointless.


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This is true, but you aren't getting "good" odds, you are getting ridiculous odds.
I really don't like blocking the river if your plan is to fold and not put in your last $12 given what great odds you are getting.
Not sure what I would do in this spot, maybe c/c a reasonable bet, or possibly lead the turn (folding to a raise) and then either c/c or c/f the river, depending on whether or not this guy would ever bluff a missed flush draw.

[Malachii]

12/80 only matters if there is at least a %15 chance that I have the best hand. With the way the betting has gone down, I don't think I'd ever have the best hand.

[xorbie]

Bet $15 on the turn and fold to a raise.

[Malachii]

I like this Xorbie, but what's the plan for the river if he smooth calls on the turn?

[xorbie]

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I like this Xorbie, but what's the plan for the river if he smooth calls on the turn?

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Check and evaluate.

[Mr. Sakuraba]

Harrington said there is always a 10% chance (i think thats the number he used.Correct me if im wrong) that someone is making a move. I think you win this hand every once in a while, which makes it profitable with the MONSTER odds your getting.

I seldom call a raise with only TPTK on the flop(Except if the reraise is all in without overbet the pot).
Fold on the river with such a pot odds is a clearly mistake.

[Mr. Sakuraba]

Yvesaint, dont take this the wrong way. Im still learning, so i have a question in regards to your earlier response. First of all , I do fold 44 to a 4x raise. Secondly, I thought a raise from utg usually indicated real strength? Again im not saying your wrong, im just trying to learn. You have far more experience than I, so school me.

[Mr. Sakuraba]

For the record, i dont think theres anything wrong with the flop call. The only two mistakes (imo of course) in this hand are : 1. Not betting out the turn and 2. Folding the river with the best odds you could hope for.