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Old 07-06-2005, 11:44 AM
MRBAA MRBAA is offline
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Default Re: You raise for the first time in an hour? I cold call!

Sorry. 1st limper BETs, others fold, cutoff raises.
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Old 07-06-2005, 11:48 AM
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Default Re: You raise for the first time in an hour? I cold call!

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Another factor is that you have terrible relative position...

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Old 07-06-2005, 11:50 AM
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Default Re: You raise for the first time in an hour? I cold call!

If the blinds are loose, I'm calling.
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Old 07-06-2005, 12:04 PM
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Default Re: You raise for the first time in an hour? I cold call!

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you just cant call 2 bets cold from a tight raiser "looking for the flush".

this is very basic stuff...

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i agree here - only on party can you make money calling 2 cold bets with A9s - its a bad habit to get into. now how bout skipping the suspense and show us how you [censored] your way into a large pot by hitting the full house
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Old 07-06-2005, 12:13 PM
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Default Re: You raise for the first time in an hour? I cold call!

I would call, with folding being the second best option. Raising here seems truly awful.
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Old 07-06-2005, 12:21 PM
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Default Re: You raise for the first time in an hour? I cold call!

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i agree here - only on party can you make money calling 2 cold bets with A9s

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luckily the game is on party, so that worked out well. and [censored] yourself into a huge pot with a flush or full house is part of the reason to play these hands. we're certainly not looking to flop AKQr here
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Old 07-06-2005, 12:31 PM
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Default Re: You raise for the first time in an hour? I cold call!

I'm not on a top pair hand with A9s here. I'm on a nut flush draw hand in a multiway pot.

And I think my hand is very likely good once I hit two pair -- the cutoff's raise makes me think he has a big ace which I have reverse dominated or maybe a hand like KK/QQ. If he has the two remaining aces, I'm in big trouble but it's not likely. The question on the flop is how to make the most $$ with my two pair.
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Old 07-06-2005, 12:31 PM
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Default Re: You raise for the first time in an hour? I cold call!

Given your read and your position on the PFR, this is closer to a fold. Granted, a call is EV-neutral via the effective and implicit pot size. This would be a much easier call say the TAG raised in EP and there were 3 cold callers afterward as you can make up the Ace-domination with better position on the PFR.
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Old 07-06-2005, 12:33 PM
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Default Re: You raise for the first time in an hour? I cold call!

It's not just party. I was at Foxwoods playing 4-8 a week or so back and the game was loose as can be. Low stakes holdem games tend to be loose -- when I find a tight one, I generally switch tables.
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Old 07-06-2005, 12:38 PM
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Default Re: You raise for the first time in an hour? I cold call!

That is the one factor I didn't think of -- and it definitely did limit my return when I actually hit my two pair on the flop.

I three bet the raise, because the ep limper was a calling station and I thought the BB would call 3 about as well as 2. In the event, this may have been a mistake as they both folded. Cutoff called and we went to the turn with 9.5BB in the pot.

It came off A93 5 rainbow and he bet right out. Some players are so suspicious. Naturally I....
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