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Old 12-02-2005, 01:23 PM
CCx CCx is offline
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Default Re: Manny for Abreu

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I'm at school (PSU) so I can't listen to WIP/WYSP, sadly.

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It's available on the web, 610wip.com

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Anyway, I'm surprised to hear that. I don't understand why getting rid of Bobby would be such a priority, guys that produce 30/30 every year don't exactly grow on trees.

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His stats are hollow - he's lazy in the outfield and never produces in the clutch... he's worthless to this team - getting rid of him immediately while he's got a decent amount of value should be a top priority for the new GM. Personally, I'd have loved to have seen him get out of town a while ago.
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Old 12-02-2005, 01:40 PM
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Default Re: Manny for Abreu

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lazy in the outfield

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No argument here. Atleast Burrell tries in the outfield.

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and never produces in the clutch...

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Looking quickly, here are Abreu's numbers for "close and late" situations according to espn. Average about 95 AB per year.

2005: .298 AVG, .993 OPS, 6 HR
2004: .255 AVG, .867 OPS, 3 HR
2003: .318 AVG, .844 OPS, 2 HR
2002: .303 AVG, .938 OPS, 3 HR

For comparison, his career is: .303 AVG, .923 OPS.

So his numbers aren't great except this past year. What really stands out is the low number of HR; to compare, Howard hit 6 this past year.

The fact that he doesn't produce in the clutch is something I hear commonly, but it's not like he is David Bell awful in the clutch. I generally pray for Bell to strikeout when people are on base so he doesn't GIDP.

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he's worthless to this team - getting rid of him immediately while he's got a decent amount of value should be a top priority for the new GM.

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I'm not so sure. If you can get good starting pitching for him, then obviously they have to make that move. But moving Abreu for another lazy, strikeout prone outfielder just won't solve their problems. Their problems are pitching and Bell, not Abreu.

EDIT: And striking out, obviously.
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Old 12-02-2005, 06:56 PM
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Default Re: Manny for Abreu

"he's lazy in the outfield"

Have you seen Manny out there? Words fail.
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Old 12-02-2005, 03:23 PM
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Default Re: Manny for Abreu

It looks like they want to use Abreu to trade for a #1 starting pitcher. Gillick just had a press conference for the Tom Gordon signing and he said they were concentrating on adding to the front end of the rotation.
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