Question for those who think abortion is not immoral - Page 3

slickpoppa · #21 09-23-2005, 02:25 AM

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Morality is realitive. Lets begin here. agree or disagree? Based off of the aside(Unless her life is at stake) I would think that you agree.

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Even if morality is relative, there is a HUGE difference between a situation in which you must choose between two living things (in the case of the mother's life being in danger) and choosing between life and the well being or happiness of the mother.

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What about rape? Is it the child's fault that his father is a rapist? The fact that a the child's father is a rapist is irrelevant. If it is okay to kill a fetus because it was the product of rape, then it should also be okay to kill a newborn that was the product of rape.

DougShrapnel · #22 09-23-2005, 02:29 AM

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Anyway, I still have not heard an explanation as to why using a fetus as a sex toy is worse than killing it.

[/ QUOTE ]I was hoping this wouldn't be needed. It just seemed like you put this in soley for shock value. If you seriously want to discuss the joys and morality of having sex with a aborted fetus, we could seriously exmaine it on it's own acord. But lets not go there until we have reached a conclusion or impass on the morality of abortion.

DougShrapnel · #23 09-23-2005, 02:35 AM

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Morality is realitive. Lets begin here. agree or disagree? Based off of the aside(Unless her life is at stake) I would think that you agree.

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Even if morality is relative, there is a HUGE difference between a situation in which you must choose between two living things (in the case of the mother's life being in danger) and choosing between life and the well being or happiness of the mother.

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What about rape? Is it the child's fault that his father is a rapist? The fact that a the child's father is a rapist is irrelevant. If it is okay to kill a fetus because it was the product of rape, then it should also be okay to kill a newborn that was the product of rape.

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Is murder ok in times of war?

slickpoppa · #24 09-23-2005, 02:39 AM

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Anyway, I still have not heard an explanation as to why using a fetus as a sex toy is worse than killing it.

[/ QUOTE ]I was hoping this wouldn't be needed. It just seemed like you put this in soley for sock value. If you seriously want to discuss the joys and morality of having sex with a aborted fetus, we could seriously exmaine it on it's own acord. But lets not go there until we have reached a conclusion or impass on the morality of abortion.

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You are exactly right that the question was for shock value. I asked the question because many people are probably disgusted by the thought of using a fetus as a sex toy, but not necessarily disgusted by the thought of someone killing a fetus. This seems odd to me because it is the opposite to the reaction most people would have if we were talking about an adult. If I asked you whether it was worse for someone to murder a person, or sell a dead body to a necrophiliac, you would have to say that the murder is worse. But why is the answer different for a fetus? Why is selling it for a disgusting purpose worse than killing it?

chezlaw · #25 09-23-2005, 02:42 AM

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You are exactly right that the question was for shock value. I asked the question because many people are probably disgusted by the thought of using a fetus as a sex toy, but not necessarily disgusted by the thought of someone killing a fetus. This seems odd to me because it is the opposite to the reaction most people would have if we were talking about an adult. If I asked you whether it was worse for someone to murder a person, or sell a dead body to a necrophiliac, you would have to say that the murder is worse. But why is the answer different for a fetus? Why is selling it for a disgusting purpose worse than killing it?

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How odd can that seem to you? You must be aware that those who do not think abortion is immoral do not think the fetus is a person.

chez

slickpoppa · #26 09-23-2005, 02:43 AM

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Is murder ok in times of war?

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Well in times of war the justification for killing someone is usually to save lives in the long run. That is in no way comparable to the suffering that a woman goes through in giving birth to a rape-baby. Death >> suffering

slickpoppa · #27 09-23-2005, 02:45 AM

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You are exactly right that the question was for shock value. I asked the question because many people are probably disgusted by the thought of using a fetus as a sex toy, but not necessarily disgusted by the thought of someone killing a fetus. This seems odd to me because it is the opposite to the reaction most people would have if we were talking about an adult. If I asked you whether it was worse for someone to murder a person, or sell a dead body to a necrophiliac, you would have to say that the murder is worse. But why is the answer different for a fetus? Why is selling it for a disgusting purpose worse than killing it?

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How odd can that seem to you? You must be aware that those who do not think abortion is immoral do not think the fetus is a person.

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Exactly. And if a fetus is not a person, then why should it be wrong to use it as a sex toy? How is it any different from using a piece of plastic?

DougShrapnel · #28 09-23-2005, 02:47 AM

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Anyway, I still have not heard an explanation as to why using a fetus as a sex toy is worse than killing it.

[/ QUOTE ]I was hoping this wouldn't be needed. It just seemed like you put this in soley for sock value. If you seriously want to discuss the joys and morality of having sex with a aborted fetus, we could seriously exmaine it on it's own acord. But lets not go there until we have reached a conclusion or impass on the morality of abortion.

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You are exactly right that the question was for shock value. I asked the question because many people are probably disgusted by the thought of using a fetus as a sex toy, but not necessarily disgusted by the thought of someone killing a fetus. This seems odd to me because it is the opposite to the reaction most people would have if we were talking about an adult. If I asked you whether it was worse for someone to murder a person, or sell a dead body to a necrophiliac, you would have to say that the murder is worse. But why is the answer different for a fetus? Why is selling it for a disgusting purpose worse than killing it?

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Well, because I and many don't think life begins at conception, but you already knew that. But I can agree that a 3 month old is too late.

slickpoppa · #29 09-23-2005, 02:53 AM

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Well, because I and many don't think life begins at conception, but you already knew that. But I can agree that a 3 month old is too late.

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So now I'll address the question to you: If a fetus is not a human life, then why is it more wrong to use it as a sex toy than to kill it? How is it any different from using a piece of plastic?

chezlaw · #30 09-23-2005, 02:55 AM

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Exactly. And if a fetus is not a person, then why should it be wrong to use it as a sex toy? How is it any different from using a piece of plastic?

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Just because they dont think the fetus is a person and so do not think abortion is immoral, it doesn't mean that there are no emotional feelings towards the fetus. Unlike a piece of plastic.

chez