200/400 hand 1

[Victor]

a2 has a significant amount of showdown value....

[TheWorstPlayer]

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a2 has a significant amount of showdown value....

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I wasn't saying anything about pumping the pot. I was saying that if A2 has 'significant' showdown value then it means that it does well against his hand range here. So why not 3-bet for value? I.e. the same reason why you 3-bet AK here.

[TheHip41]

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Really Chris? Because I think this leaves me vulnerable to be value bet by a better hand and gives me no chance to fold that same better hand. On a board like this I think it's highly plausible he folds a pair with a spade(if no spade comes on the river), MAYBE a king(he has definitely folded top pair during this session to a player with an image similar to mine). I dunno, I think it's close between cr and check call.
-James

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Do people actually fold pairs in Blind Defense scenarios at 200-400

I think if he has any kind of made hand, especially one he bets the turn with, are hands he's going to SD with.

[Chris Daddy Cool]

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Really Chris? Because I think this leaves me vulnerable to be value bet by a better hand and gives me no chance to fold that same better hand. On a board like this I think it's highly plausible he folds a pair with a spade(if no spade comes on the river), MAYBE a king(he has definitely folded top pair during this session to a player with an image similar to mine). I dunno, I think it's close between cr and check call.
-James

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while i agree that this line leaves you vurnurable to being value bet to death, it also HAS to leave some room for him bluffing unprofitably as well.

also its been my experience in these games that it is very difficult to get these guys to fold better hands in these spots, which makes checkraising less valuable than you'd think.

chris

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Really Chris? Because I think this leaves me vulnerable to be value bet by a better hand and gives me no chance to fold that same better hand. On a board like this I think it's highly plausible he folds a pair with a spade(if no spade comes on the river), MAYBE a king(he has definitely folded top pair during this session to a player with an image similar to mine). I dunno, I think it's close between cr and check call.
-James

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This can't be really how high limit "good" players play in blind battles.....I think this hand you should be CRing for value on the turn or calling down otherwise, or is the A-h calldown no good at these limits?

[Ezcheeze]

I think the problem with a check raise is he's usually gonna give up here when he has nothing which is what he has most of the time, and check behind. The check call flop and donk bet turn line you mentioned is a good line I think and also I like check raising the flop.

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MAYBE a king(he has definitely folded top pair during this session to a player with an image similar to mine

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It was a totally different situation where he folded to the other guy. The other guy had raised preflop and John 3-bet him in position and the action ended up with the guy check riasing the turn. Everytime that guy raised postflop I saw him show an overpair and I think his image was much more tight/stragihtforward than yours. John would never fold a K here in a blind steal situation against you. I doubt hed fold a pair with a flush draw either and probably calls the river once hes gotten there.

[Schneids]

If you're checkraising the turn it's for value. I dunno what you saw or think you saw JDags do but I'm almost certain he isn't folding pairs to you on this board.

[theBruiser500]

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If you're checkraising the turn it's for value. I dunno what you saw or think you saw JDags do but I'm almost certain he isn't folding pairs to you on this board.

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yeah that was my reaction. he's going to fold a pair, on a paired board in button vs. BB??

[DcifrThs]

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Hey all, since I basically just doubled the amount of live hours I've put in during the past 2 weeks I figured I'd post a few hands and see if you all think I'm adjusting okay. So here's hand 1 -

John D'agostino or whatever his last name is raises in the cutoff and I defend Ah2d so we take a headsup flop. The flop is Ks7s7d. I check, he bets, I call.

The turn is a 2s. I check. Thoughts?
-James

EDIT: I was planning to check-raise the turn.


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bet the turn james.

if you check and a spade comes bet.

if you check and almost any other card comes after he checks behind bet for value.

if a lone ace falls id like to c'r but i think either a bet or check call is best

if you decided to bet the turn instead, call down a raise and river bet.

A2 here now has a good deal of showdown value. get there.

at this limit i think its hard for people to find folds on boards like that with any pair. period. so your check planning to raise i assume is plan to charge him 2 bets for his flush draw and then check the end and let him bluff b/c after the turn c'r he folds nothing you beat and calls with nothing you beat on the river but may bluff the hands he'd call the turn c'r with.

-Barron

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I am surprised no on donks this turn. That is my default in this situation. It looks fishy enough that A high will usually always call down, and Q8 or whatever doesnt get a free card. Unless you think fold a small pair to the turn CR I dont really get that line.