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#21
10-09-2004, 12:09 AM
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Re: 2 QTs hands. Party 3/6.
Would you have cold-called a reasonable raiser after 2 others cold-called and UTG limped had you had the Button?
Touche' [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] Probably not, and I know where you are going with this. *But* dont give me any silly ideas [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img], as I think you could pull a profit out in that situation also (QJs for sure). esp with a player remaining to act who will almost definitly come along with any hand. 
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#22
10-09-2004, 01:00 AM
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Re: 2 QTs hands. Party 3/6.
Hi sublime,
Well, either way, I would rather have the Button in this hand and be cold-calling than be in the SB and semi-coldcalling, especially with the 3/6 blind structure. I am no authority on cold-calling raises in these situations. I can't quite wrap my brain around it either way. At times, I think that I'm not that big of a dog to a hand like KK, and probably much less of a dog than some of the people who are cold-calling, and if they have AK I'm making a huge mistake by folding. Plus, I have position. I could argue both sides of the debate pretty well. But, pretty much everyone from Clarkmeister to GuyOnTilt agree to fold in that situation, and I'm taking their word for it. Whether you want to as well is up to you. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] -Brian
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#23
10-09-2004, 01:41 AM
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Re: 2 QTs hands. Party 3/6.
I could argue both sides of the debate pretty well. But, pretty much everyone from Clarkmeister to GuyOnTilt agree to fold in that situation, and I'm taking their word for it.
Okay maybe at the 1/3 blind structure you can advocate a fold (and can even sway me) But in a 1/2 blind structure, I cant see Clark advocating a fold in a pot that is going to be 6 handed . As a matter of fact a Clark 'disciple' (JoeTall) was telling me he called 1.5 bets with T9s (also a level four hand) in a 20/40 game. My response was "I do that all the time in multiway pots" Then again I over-value my skill level [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]
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#25
10-09-2004, 08:56 AM
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Re: 2 QTs hands. Party 3/6.
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The preflop call is +EV. Period. [/ QUOTE ] how can you make such a strong statement? it's borderline.
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#26
10-09-2004, 08:58 AM
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Re: 2 QTs hands. Party 3/6.
in a raised pot, I'd take T9s over QTs. your high cards have reverse implied odds. you're basically playing for straights and flushes. the only real advantage of QTs is a better two pair and stronger trips.
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#27
10-09-2004, 11:31 AM
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Re: 2 QTs hands. Party 3/6.
Hand#1:
Yes, you are getting a 'discount' on jumping into the pond at 10/1.66 with a suited broadway connector that is likely doiminated however, I would like a little more on my money and a 1/2 blind structure could get you there. You flopped a monster equity-wise and I would bet out on this flop. Why c/r the river and shut the field out? Are they likely to over-call, then bet and 3-bet. Peace, Joe Tall
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#28
10-09-2004, 11:34 AM
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Re: 2 QTs hands. Party 3/6.
JoeTall was telling me he called 1.5 bets with T9s
What you missed was that UTG raised and 6 players called 2-bets and I was sure the BB was coming along. Bison was getting much less. Peace, Joe Tall
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