Hellmuth and Math - Page 3

Shaun · #1 10-20-2005, 03:27 AM

If that Q doesn't hit the turn Hellmuth doubles that guy up. He made a good fold, but he tought the guy had QQ. If the turn is a 7 I doubt he mucks it.

wutevahung · #2 10-20-2005, 11:23 AM

wow, u guys r giving hellmuth wayyy too much credits on this one.

i saw that on the tv, i was actaully laughing cause it was ridiculous how hellmuth was like "HOW MANY PEOPLE GET AWAY FROM THIS?" wow i m saying more than half of the people on this board can and i dont even think the turn matters.

dood, a passive old man reraised you preflop and checked on a A44 board, what do you think he has??? if he had KK he would ve bet and tried to bluff his way out.

i thought the perfect play there shoudl ve been put like 3/4 of the pot, then i doubt hellmuth will muck it, probably reraise and then fold to an all in or something.

Beavis68 · #3 10-20-2005, 12:10 PM

Yeah, Hellmuth played brilliantly against, Todo, made some great laydowns and won the tournament....

Oh no, he folded the best hand a bunch of times, got short stacked and busted out with a weak hand, just like he always does.

JackWhite · #4 10-20-2005, 12:17 PM

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Oh no, he folded the best hand a bunch of times, got short stacked and busted out with a weak hand, just like he always does.

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As I recall, on the hand that he busted out, he had top pair after the flop and Leonidas pushed all-in with second pair. He was a huge favorite, but got outdrawn.

Does Phil make too many laydowns? Perhaps, but I am sure it sets people up to push all-in with mediocre hands...like Leonidas did, and the guy with KJ did.

DeadMoneyOC · #5 10-20-2005, 12:31 PM

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Hellmuth may not be the best all around player but he is the best nolimit hold'em player.

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Should I start checking every hand in the dark everytime?

jhall23 · #6 10-20-2005, 12:33 PM

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A math-type player would never be able to make that AK laydown against AA on that kind of board. The math type would just say, "Okay, I have AK and there's another Ace on the board and this will lower the chances that he has AA by so and so %, therefore, I call". The math type would have been broke at that point.

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Umm, people that apply math well in poker also understand Bayes theorem. They don't think as simply as you outlined above. So despite all the obvious tell's the old guy was giving off a "math" player could have made a good decision on this hand.