When would you consider folding this?

[xenthebrain]

I'd raise it preflop.

I like calling the flop and betting the turn (so stop and go), rather than c/r the turn.

If he has a worse hand he might fold to a direct 3-bet since there aren't alot of draws he could have here.

I don't consider folding an option.

[xenthebrain]

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Raise preflop.

And yes I could fold this. MP2 either has JJ/99/KJ. I would put it on JJ.

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Well, of course. When you read that he lost this hand he could have either that or AK, but if you didn't know that why would you rule out TT,QQ,AA and Kx (after all, we don't have a read on him)

[WSOP Bound]

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So I should always be raising KQs early like that?

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Think about the hands that your opponents generally limp in with or call two bets cold pre-flop with. It's not uncommon to see hands like A5o, T8o, 95s, and any trash like that. If you know these players will call your raises with hands that are inferior to yours then by raising you make money (raise for value). Therefore it is pretty much always correct to raise KQs pre-flop, and some worse hands (KQo, & AJo for example).

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With the exception of A5o which KQs is actually an underdog to I would be fine with any of the other hands that you listed calling. When we raise PF with KQs there is some value in it as you pointed out. But it seems to me that any bet/raise that we make logically should have value. The question becomes wether or not value is the primary cause for betting, and I'm not 100% sure which one is more important here. There is only value in having them in the hand IF we hit and they don't.

[bjarne]

I would never fold this (and raise preflop).
Firstly because its not certain that you are behind.

Even if you are behind as MP1 indicates with the 3-bet, say MP1 has AK or 99 (KJ or JJ is sort of worse but the way the betting went there is no reason to believe that the J helped MP1), you still have plenty of outs to win or split pot. You could also be up against another KQ.

After the 3-bet on the turn the pot is laying you almost 10:1. Compare this to the odds that you are ahead (or tied agains another KQ) together with the odds that you can draw out makes this impossible to fold IMO.

[kross]

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With the exception of A5o which KQs is actually an underdog to I would be fine with any of the other hands that you listed calling.

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KQs is only an underdog to A5o heads up. In a multiway pot, KQs has tons more equity than A5o, so you want A5o to call you.

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Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 28.2478 % 27.55% 00.70% { KQs }
Hand 2: 18.0938 % 16.63% 01.46% { A5o }
Hand 3: 13.4253 % 12.38% 01.05% { random }
Hand 4: 13.4066 % 12.35% 01.05% { random }
Hand 5: 13.4336 % 12.39% 01.04% { random }
Hand 6: 13.3929 % 12.35% 01.04% { random }