Daliman, ZeeJustin, Jason Strasser and...

[Tosh]

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well, if he already was a more than capable SNG or MTT player, i don't consider it getting 'lucky'. i'm pretty sure he played well enough to cash in or win them.

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Don't get me wrong, Daliman is a good player but he did get lucky not to go broke. This strategy is fine if you don't mind going broke but as eastbay said, it isn't recommended.

[Desdia72]

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Well, for me, i played about 5 100+9's, found them beatable, got up to about $800 in my account, played a few $200+15's, found the same, and immediately started playing 4 at a time as much as was humanly possible, never once getting broke.

Your results my vary...

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Don't try this at home, folks... this is generally considered a rather extreme overplaying of bankroll by most.

I don't care how beatable they are, you're going to lose 4 buy-ins in a row on a regular basis. Daliman got lucky to not go broke while getting off the ground here.

eastbay

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agreed, however i was closer to 1600 when i started 4 tabling. the inference is still the same however. I have dropped as much as 4200 before stabilizing at times, which seems lower than most that 4 table.

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well, were you already an experienced SNG or MTT player before you started playing the bigger buy-in SNGs? how many of those $100s and $200s do you play everyday?

[ZeeJustin]

I grinded my way up from ring games. After 10/20 6 max, and 15/30 6 max, the 200 SNG's were my next step. Generally, I pick a new game every month.

For those that care, here is my timeline.
Paradise .50/1, buy in for $100, profit a little bit, get bored move up to 1/2. Lose, go back to .50/1, win. Lose at 2/4. Repeat, never going bust.
Paradise, bought in for an additional $500. Play 5/10, lose $300. Realize that I'm not even close to properly bankrolled, and quit.
Pokerroom 1/2. Buyin for 100. Win up to 200. Lose it all.

Then I cashed a little from paradise, bought into party for $250 (this was last July).
.50 / 1 -> 1/2 6 max (insert 2nd place for $2k in $20+2 MTT here) -> 5/10 6 max
Then I played for a couple months on stars, mostly 36+3 satellites into the 200+15's, and .50/1 and 1/2 NL
Then I went back to party. 10/20 6 max -> 15/30 6 max, and then $200+15 sng's were my next step.

Edit: This is all from memory, so I may be missing a step or two. I also entered a decent amount of multi's, but my only good finish before I started playing SNG's was in the $20 MTT listed above.

[Desdia72]

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I grinded my way up from ring games. After 10/20 6 max, and 15/30 6 max, the 200 SNG's were my next step. Generally, I pick a new game every month.

For those that care, here is my timeline.
Paradise .50/1, buy in for $100, profit a little bit, get bored move up to 1/2. Lose, go back to .50/1, win. Lose at 2/4. Repeat, never going bust.
Paradise, bought in for an additional $500. Play 5/10, lose $300. Realize that I'm not even close to properly bankrolled, and quit.
Pokerroom 1/2. Buyin for 100. Win up to 200. Lose it all.

Then I cashed a little from paradise, bought into party for $250 (this was last July).
.50 / 1 -> 1/2 6 max (insert 2nd place for $2k in $20+2 MTT here) -> 5/10 6 max
Then I played for a couple months on stars, mostly 36+3 satellites into the 200+15's, and .50/1 and 1/2 NL
Then I went back to party. 10/20 6 max -> 15/30 6 max, and then $200+15 sng's were my next step.

Edit: This is all from memory, so I may be missing a step or two. I also entered a decent amount of multi's, but my only good finish before I started playing SNG's was in the $20 MTT listed above.

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so you basically financed your way into the $200 + $15s with money you won from multi-tabling ring games? do you think that your experiences in the 10/20 and 15/30 ring games prepared you well for the $200 + $15 SNGs?

[Jason Strasser]

Never saw this post. Here is my little timeline:

Cash into party $100. Play 25 NL tables. Lose money. Cash into party, join 2+2, get fourth in $20 multi, wih $1100. Start playing 2-3x 30 dollar sngs, 1/2 shorthanded limit. Move up to 50 dollar sngs. Win $17,400 in super monday after qualifying via sng. Play $100 SNG. Moved to $200 sng.

Just moved money to pokerstars to get used to playing there and to qualify for WCOOP.

I turn 20 in december, but im still older than ZeeJustin. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Prickly Pete]

I guess mine is a little more conventional than some of the others. Started at Party $30 SNGs and played 1000. Moved to $50 and played 500. Moved to $100 and played 500. Moved to $200.

[Desdia72]

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I guess mine is a little more conventional than some of the others. Started at Party $30 SNGs and played 1000. Moved to $50 and played 500. Moved to $100 and played 500. Moved to $200.

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i can see that yours was a gradual move up in limits like a ring game moving from 10/20 to 15/30, from 20/40 to 30/60 and what not. this will mostly be my approach to moving up in SNG limits. i still have not had huge successes in the big MTTs so much of my bankroll growth comes from playing $5 and $6 SNGs. i'm committed to the long run and improving my game. i'll get there eventually.

[ZeeJustin]

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do you think that your experiences in the 10/20 and 15/30 ring games prepared you well for the $200 + $15 SNGs?

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I think in order to be good at SNG's, you really have to be a versatile player. Having a background that includes full table NL ring and shorthanded limit, as well as having some solid MTT experience is a perfect resume for someone trying to do well at SNG's. In fact, I was probably better prepared than I would have been simply from grinding my way up the SNG ladder.

[Daliman]

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Well, for me, i played about 5 100+9's, found them beatable, got up to about $800 in my account, played a few $200+15's, found the same, and immediately started playing 4 at a time as much as was humanly possible, never once getting broke.

Your results my vary...

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Don't try this at home, folks... this is generally considered a rather extreme overplaying of bankroll by most.

I don't care how beatable they are, you're going to lose 4 buy-ins in a row on a regular basis. Daliman got lucky to not go broke while getting off the ground here.

eastbay

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agreed, however i was closer to 1600 when i started 4 tabling. the inference is still the same however. I have dropped as much as 4200 before stabilizing at times, which seems lower than most that 4 table.

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well, were you already an experienced SNG or MTT player before you started playing the bigger buy-in SNGs? how many of those $100s and $200s do you play everyday?

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I average about 300-400 a month, but was primarily a ring limit player with decent NL MTT experience. I used to hate SNG's. ANd yes, I'm more than a bit of a plunger, so i definitely don't recommend my way. Standard i think is having at least25 buyins if you are a good player.

[Desdia72]

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do you think that your experiences in the 10/20 and 15/30 ring games prepared you well for the $200 + $15 SNGs?

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I think in order to be good at SNG's, you really have to be a versatile player. Having a background that includes full table NL ring and shorthanded limit, as well as having some solid MTT experience is a perfect resume for someone trying to do well at SNG's. In fact, I was probably better prepared than I would have been simply from grinding my way up the SNG ladder.

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so would you suggest i play more limit ring games? i would say one of the reasons i don't play more limit is because of bankroll issues. plus, NL was the first game i ever learned when i got into poker and i caught on to SNGs rather quickly and experienced some success early. i feel that, naturally, i was able to adapt better to NL than i was to limit. instead of ring games, do you suggest that i add some Limit SNGs into the mix?