Bizzare situation, what would the ruling be?

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If you were dealt two consecutive cards like 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] maybe you have a point, but all I can see is the floor laughing and Al repeatedly kicking you in the nuts [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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How can I be dealt two consecutive cards if i don't get them in consecutive order?

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Brain fart. I guess I picked the wrong week to give up glue sniffing [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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If I ever saw a casino dealer do a hand-shuffle (where I play it's all auto-shuffled) I would make sure he shuffled 7 times and then accept that the cards are what (and where) they are.


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No casino on earth is going to adhere to your standards of shuffling. The proper procedure for hand shuffles in card rooms is the following.

Quick wash (scramble), riffle riffle strip riffle OR riffle strip riffle riffle and then cut.

You will never see a cardroom riffle the cards 7 times before they deal and you can object all you want. It will not get changed. No room is going to let you "make sure it's shuffled 7 times" before being dealt, LOL.

[SCfuji]

do you sit with an orange at the table?

[Randy_Refeld]

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A deck of cards needs to be shuffled approximately 7 times for a true randomization to occur. If I ever saw a casino dealer do a hand-shuffle (where I play it's all auto-shuffled) I would make sure he shuffled 7 times and then accept that the cards are what (and where) they are.


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I want in these games if they naver have a hand that is over before the machien is done shuffling (please don't tell me the dealer sits there and waits for the machine).

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A deck of cards needs to be shuffled approximately 7 times for a true randomization to occur. If I ever saw a casino dealer do a hand-shuffle (where I play it's all auto-shuffled) I would make sure he shuffled 7 times and then accept that the cards are what (and where) they are.

If the dealer shuffles fewer than 7 times, I would certainly speak up, but it needs to be before the deal.

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The 7 times thing is only on a straight riffle. But a straight riffle is ineffective anyway since any decent magician or card mechanic can shuffle a deck back into it's original order with straight riffling. The key is the wash (aka scramble). Casinos without shufflemasters do a wash followed by 2 riffles then a box shuffle another riffle and a cut. This is very effective even on a new deck. It sounds like the wynn dealer in question never washed the deck on the table. With a new setup a few riffles just move chunks around and would certainly result in a flop of this type. As far as a decision....there would be none. None of the rulebooks have a provision for declaring an entire deal dead unless there is a duplicate card in the deack. Ie: 2 aces of clubs appear on the table, everyones money is returned from that hand.

[DrSavage]

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As far as a decision....there would be none. None of the rulebooks have a provision for declaring an entire deal dead unless there is a duplicate card in the deack. Ie: 2 aces of clubs appear on the table, everyones money is returned from that hand.

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Thank you. That is exactly what i wanted to know, not some random crap about oranges from random idiots.

[VoraciousReader]

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You will never see a cardroom riffle the cards 7 times before they deal and you can object all you want. It will not get changed. No room is going to let you "make sure it's shuffled 7 times" before being dealt, LOL.

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So I'm apparently a nit. Like I said, when I've played live, I've only played where we had autoshufflers. I play all low-stakes games, so no, we don't ever finish a hand before the auto-shuffler does. I would think that customers would require something approximating a random shuffle when they are wagering money. It's not like it takes long to shuffle 7 times...maybe 45 seconds?

I wouldn't make a federal case about it or hold up the game, but I don't think I'd be inclined to sit in for very long. (And, not to reopen the whole tipping question, but I don't think I'd be inclined to tip a dealer that laughed at me if I asked him to shuffle a few more times.)

[Randy_Refeld]

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I wouldn't make a federal case about it or hold up the game, but I don't think I'd be inclined to sit in for very long. (And, not to reopen the whole tipping question, but I don't think I'd be inclined to tip a dealer that laughed at me if I asked him to shuffle a few more times.)

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In some non-jackpopt games a player can ask for an extra riffle if it isn't done excessivly (if it becomes excessive the floor will impose a limit on it for exampel only the SB can request it or only the button can request it). This is not uniform, but if it keeps the players happy I am all for it.

[bernie]

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I wouldn't make a federal case about it or hold up the game, but I don't think I'd be inclined to sit in for very long. (And, not to reopen the whole tipping question, but I don't think I'd be inclined to tip a dealer that laughed at me if I asked him to shuffle a few more times.)

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In some non-jackpopt games a player can ask for an extra riffle if it isn't done excessivly (if it becomes excessive the floor will impose a limit on it for exampel only the SB can request it or only the button can request it). This is not uniform, but if it keeps the players happy I am all for it.

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Why only non-jackpot games?

Requested scrambles are much more common than extra riffle requests. I don't think I've ever heard an extra riffle request now thinking about it. The scramble seems to make the superstitious players happy.

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[bernie]

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(please don't tell me the dealer sits there and waits for the machine).

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It really doesn't look good when they do that.

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