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Old 09-27-2005, 03:07 PM
Paluka Paluka is offline
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if I'm the SB and you opened on the button, then bet at a three-bettor and a capper twice, then again at me on the river, I'd probably assume you have a pretty big hand. I might call the turn to try to pick up a second pair or trips, or maybe hope you just check behind on the river so my 77 is good.

when you are just called on the turn there's a good chance you ahve the best hand, and a great chance the SB is weak. I think it's a good time to bet. the hands you mentioned might fold, and 55-22 might even pay off since you don't know him. also, there may be some small value in not showing that you raised with 96s, and maybe even some if you do get called. on the outside, raising with 96s then betting 3 times with sixes on a board with an AQ on it against a 3-bettor and capper looks maniacal

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Given how I play, I think I'd rather show the 69s than not. But who knows.
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Old 09-27-2005, 03:18 PM
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if I'm the SB and you opened on the button, then bet at a three-bettor and a capper twice, then again at me on the river, I'd probably assume you have a pretty big hand. I might call the turn to try to pick up a second pair or trips, or maybe hope you just check behind on the river so my 77 is good.

when you are just called on the turn there's a good chance you ahve the best hand, and a great chance the SB is weak. I think it's a good time to bet. the hands you mentioned might fold, and 55-22 might even pay off since you don't know him. also, there may be some small value in not showing that you raised with 96s, and maybe even some if you do get called. on the outside, raising with 96s then betting 3 times with sixes on a board with an AQ on it against a 3-bettor and capper looks maniacal

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Given how I play, I think I'd rather show the 69s than not. But who knows.

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I think your (presumably tight for the conditions) image is worth a lot in this kind of game, so showing seems like a bad idea.
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Old 09-27-2005, 03:19 PM
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I think your (presumably tight for the conditions) image is worth a lot in this kind of game, so showing seems like a bad idea.

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You are probably right, it is almost always better to have people think you are tight.
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Old 09-27-2005, 03:36 PM
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muck to the preflop cap.

seriously.
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Old 09-27-2005, 04:53 PM
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So as I said I bet the turn, the small blind called, the big blind folded. The river was a blank, I don't recall what but a 2,3, or 5 or something. He checked. I decided to check. I didn't think he would fold a pair on the river if he was willing to call with it on the turn. He might do this if he had 89s or 78s, I guess.
He had JhTh and my hand was good.

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Congrats on this hand...This is my favorite type of hand and I am winning more of them. I think when the pots this big, the idea that you should do whatever might give you a better chance to win usually means bet or raise. In this circumstance, your hand is so weak, you'd have had to fold to any sort of pressure. The big blind's not betting out on the flop was a tremendous mistake and indicative that he/she is not a very good player. You took advantage of his poor play by being aggressive and won a nice pot with a crappy hand.
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Old 09-27-2005, 05:13 PM
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So as I said I bet the turn, the small blind called, the big blind folded. The river was a blank, I don't recall what but a 2,3, or 5 or something. He checked. I decided to check. I didn't think he would fold a pair on the river if he was willing to call with it on the turn. He might do this if he had 89s or 78s, I guess.
He had JhTh and my hand was good.

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Congrats on this hand...This is my favorite type of hand and I am winning more of them. I think when the pots this big, the idea that you should do whatever might give you a better chance to win usually means bet or raise. In this circumstance, your hand is so weak, you'd have had to fold to any sort of pressure. The big blind's not betting out on the flop was a tremendous mistake and indicative that he/she is not a very good player. You took advantage of his poor play by being aggressive and won a nice pot with a crappy hand.

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actually I think in general it's probably best to check here. the unique part about this hand is that he can so easily fold to a raise. in a lot of spots like this a bet-fold will cost you an opportunity to draw out if you get check-raised, or possibly the whole pot if you are bluffed. however, here, if he gets check-raised he's way behind, and the pot is protected so he knows he won't end up folding the best hand.
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Old 09-28-2005, 05:46 AM
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Default Re: 100/200 69s on the button

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I think your (presumably tight for the conditions) image is worth a lot in this kind of game, so showing seems like a bad idea.

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You are probably right, it is almost always better to have people think you are tight.

[/ QUOTE ]like 99.9% in a five handed LHE game.
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Old 09-28-2005, 06:33 AM
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I heart rounders.
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Old 09-29-2005, 02:25 AM
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Odd, not exactly the result I expected. I bet the turn but I feel like I'm tap dancing on a landmine.

Of course your statement that they only raise the turn with 2 pair + makes it quite a bit easier to bet. Boy that's really nice to know.
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Old 09-29-2005, 07:25 AM
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Of course your statement that they only raise the turn with 2 pair + makes it quite a bit easier to bet. Boy that's really nice to know.

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I don't really think that this is very player specific.
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