Ok, I need professional help with this hand... can't figure it out...

[eugeneel]

This is an argument me and another player I know who plays very high stakes. We were having on this chat over AIM.
The game mentioned is online at pokerroom 25-50 5 handed the people who had the AA and JJ in this hands were both good players.

PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF MY CALL WAS A GOOD ONE OR A BAD ONE.

Eugeneel: had some guy hit one outer on river
East remix: yeah that was me
Eugeneel: for 900 pot
East remix: the set over set right
Eugeneel: no
Eugeneel: flop was
Eugeneel: 232 2 diamonds
East remix: sorry
Eugeneel: and JJ won
Eugeneel: with J on river
East remix: so thats a 2 outer
Eugeneel: I had 10j
Eugeneel: of diamonds
East remix: ah
East remix: so you were only ahead on the turn
East remix: how is that a bad beat
Eugeneel: true
Eugeneel: 1 outer for capped pot all the way besider river
East remix: that mustve been really tough to get over
Eugeneel: is bad beat for me
East remix: but you were only best on the turn
East remix: plus what are you doing in the hand with j10 if its capped preflop
Eugeneel: yeah I played wel though
Eugeneel: got trapped
East remix: how

.... Some arguing about odds, then he tell me that J10 sucks in 4 way pot and I tell him a lot of worse hands hands are usually in that pot. He asks me "like what"

East remix: normally the morons with J10 make it 4way
Eugeneel: hands that are much worse off then my 10 J suioted
East remix: no
Eugeneel: yeah
East remix: like what?
East remix: 8-9?
Eugeneel: AK-Aq, 77-1010
East remix: hahah AK????
Eugeneel: eh
Eugeneel: AJ
Eugeneel: mistyping
East remix: 10-10 is worse off than J-10?
East remix: you have to catch gin on the flop
Eugeneel: against strong players?
Eugeneel: 10 10 worse
Eugeneel: I think
East remix: you get trapped too easily with J-10
East remix: flop comes J23
East remix: you cant let go
Eugeneel: nah
Eugeneel: u can
East remix: well then you'er playing for a striaght or a flush
East remix: so you migh as well have 2-3
Eugeneel: 23 makes less straights
East remix: ok 5-6
Eugeneel: yeah
East remix: if you want to put 4 bets in on a suited connector
East remix: which is what J-10 is
East remix: you're welcome in my game anytime
Eugeneel: heh
Eugeneel: I got trapped
East remix: haha i dont see how
Eugeneel: u already know that
East remix: i think you made a dumb call and hoped to get lucky
Eugeneel: ok stupid conversation
East remix: then you got lucky but someone got luckier
Eugeneel: I know I got trapped
East remix: BIRNBAUMNMT TAPPED YOU OUT
East remix: yeah well preflop checkraises are a good way to trap
Eugeneel: I forget what did it
Eugeneel: someone must of donne it with AA then
East remix: yeah
Eugeneel: that seems more logical
Eugeneel: So AA limps 1st
East remix: very logical
Eugeneel: I call
East remix: how exactly do you checkraise preflop?
Eugeneel: JJ raises
Eugeneel: AA reraises
East remix: so you dump
East remix: limpings bad anyway
East remix: i never limp
Eugeneel: I call (maybe loose)
Eugeneel: and jj caps
East remix: yeah each call was bad, the 2nd obviously worse
Eugeneel: the thing is
Eugeneel: actually
Eugeneel: 2nd call was good
Eugeneel: so [censored] off
East remix: hahah no way!
Eugeneel: cause
East remix: calling 2 bets cold
Eugeneel: I have everyone figured
Eugeneel: I KNOW that checkraiser has aces
East remix: ok, well you dont know
Eugeneel: maybe kk
East remix: but its likely he has a big pair
East remix: yes
East remix: so pat yourself on the back, you got away cheap
Eugeneel: so it is so easy to play it postflop
East remix: and fold
East remix: apparently not
Eugeneel: well
East remix: i mean, the value isnt there
Eugeneel: not unless u hit good flop
East remix: this is limit
Eugeneel: and dream turn
East remix: you have no implied odds
Eugeneel: yeah I do
East remix: do you know how hard it is for J10 to beat AA
Eugeneel: cause
East remix: your odds are nowhere near what you're putting in the call
Eugeneel: I kniow what everyone has
East remix: not to mention the other guys in the pot can beat you
East remix: hahahah how do you nkow what the raiser has?
Eugeneel: no
Eugeneel: heh
East remix: you cant assume he has JJ
Eugeneel: Aces is enough
Eugeneel: to know
East remix: plus there's a mystery 4th guy
East remix: right, to drop the hand
East remix: you're up against AA which kills you
East remix: plus 2 unknown hands that you have beat
East remix: have to beat
East remix: in order to win the pot
East remix: J10 is a big big loser there
Eugeneel: dude A2 had J 10 beat
Eugeneel: does it mean that...
East remix: not really
Eugeneel: A2 is better here?
East remix: its not showdown poker
East remix: no
Eugeneel: there we go
East remix: but AA
East remix: kills you
Eugeneel: I had JJ beat in this hand
East remix: only on the turn
Eugeneel: cause we both facing AA
Eugeneel: no the whole way
East remix: uh no
Eugeneel: odds are
Eugeneel: I will winn much mopre often than the JJ
East remix: oh i see what youre saying
Eugeneel: against AA
Eugeneel: than he
Eugeneel: will
East remix: right
East remix: but guess who's gonna win the most
East remix: AA
East remix: you're still losing money
East remix: plus you dont know he has JJ
East remix: his hand hurts yours a lot too
Eugeneel: yeah but 90% of the time
Eugeneel: I fold flop
Eugeneel: and most time I pay only 3 bets
Eugeneel: to see flop
East remix: right so you throw away 4 bets
East remix: only 3 bets?
Eugeneel: well
Eugeneel: AA made it 3 bets
East remix: so 10% of the time you play after the flop
East remix: how many of those pots will you win?
East remix: 1/3?
Eugeneel: and win HUGE pot
East remix: so 3.3%
East remix: given 3 bets each time, plus what you can lose after the flop
East remix: thats already 30 bets you lose the 90% of the time
Eugeneel: hey
East remix: youre not making 50 bets+ the times you win the hand
Eugeneel: I am gonna post this hand on 2+2
East remix: its a big loser
East remix: those people are morons
Eugeneel: mason will give me good advice
Eugeneel: they know odds
East remix: im intersted to see what they say
Eugeneel: it is an interesting hand
Eugeneel: cause I can see ur point
East remix: maybe
East remix: i think its clear cut


Is it a clear fold preflop?

(by the way, feel free to congratulate me on my biggest win ever last night at the gaming club, 25-50 3-7 handed over 3 hr period, won 4.1k!)

Really looking forward to reading these replies,

-Eugene