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Re: 50-100 6 max hand
FWIW what did CO read the BB with having? BB's 3 bet indicates a strong hand so why would CO try to knock hero out of the hand and at the same time believe CO has BB beat? If this was the case why wouldn't CO have raised BB originally? It looks to me like there's a good chance that CO has 66 and saw that he was in a favorable situation pot equity wise and wanted to build a big pot FWIW.
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Re: 50-100 6 max hand
For some reason during the hand folding the flop didn't seem right. I guess because the way the game was going that there was a decent chance I was still ahead. Nobody capped preflop, so an overpair was unlikely. So the guy who caps teh flop can only really be beating me with 44,55 or 77.
I just had a hard time handicapping how likely it was I was still winning on the flop, and I also had a hard time putting the blinds on hands. They called 3 bets preflop, so in theory the flop can't be great for them. And with no cap, overpairs aren't that likely. |
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Re: 50-100 6 max hand
what about JJ/TT?
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Re: 50-100 6 max hand
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what about JJ/TT? [/ QUOTE ] These hands are possible too. I guess I overplayed my hand here. I suspected so, which is why posted it. Folding the flop certainly makes it easier, but I still think turn decision is tough. |
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Re: 50-100 6 max hand
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[ QUOTE ] Decent 50/100 6 max. I don't know any of the players that well, but all of them have done at least a little something that seems bad since I've been at the table. 2 folds, and the cutoff raises. I 3 bet with 99. Both blinds call, and the raiser calls. Flop 457 rainbow. sb checks, bb bets, original pfr calls, I raise, sb calls, bb 3 bets, now the pfr caps! I think this is very very bad for me, but I call 2 cold. Anyone fold here? Sb calls leaving himself with 2/3 of a big bet. Turn 8, no flush draws. Now the sb bets his $68, bb just calls, and the pfr raises again. So I'm face with 1 2/3 bets here. Call or fold? [/ QUOTE ] Not only am I not closing the action, but I'm wondering if there is a better way to handicap our outs. Given how my opponents played, do you think it is more likely than normal someone has a 6? When I ran pokerstove assuming the blinds were capable of calling the 3 bets preflop with hands like 45s and that the original pfr always had me beat I still have over 8% equity. [/ QUOTE ] I haven't read any responses Paluka, but here's mine based on a quick run through... 17 and 2/3 BB to 2 on the turn call (if I added correctly), little less than 9:1. The fact that one player is all-in decreases your equity and implied odds those times you hit (and you currently don't have the odds to draw to it) in conjunction with you not closing and the fact that you may not even have 4 outs available. But if a 6 does come, then at best both BB and the raiser check/call figuring/hoping for a split pot. I just think you are already facing less than 10:1 to hit your 4 outer, IF 4 outs are even available. The rainbow 8 (as in no redraw to a flush) is a good card as all your 6s are clean. If it makes a 4 flush, then it increases the likliness that BB is drawing to the flush and cuts you down to 3 outs. How likely is it that someone is holding a 6? Tough to say, SB is all-in which tells you really nothing...his final bet could be a desperation/frustration bet or just a value bet with a 6 or even two pair, you obviously aren't getting anymore info from him. I think BB will smooth call and re-raise with a 6, and PF raiser could have a hand like 66 (which really cripples you) or A6s and was popping the flop with an OESD and backdoor flush. Really depends on your read of his raising standards on how likely it is he holds a hand with a 6. You don't want to be seeing monsters under the bed here, but the "rainbow" value of that turn card really plays a key role in what hands BB might be calling with here as well as what hands PF raiser might be raising with. Ultimately I don't really like the turn call, and the flop call seems marginal to me as well. You aren't getting odds on either end and there are alot of blind-like hands that can turn two pair and single card straights on the turn even though they provide you with a draw...and your 9s might not even be best here...if they are it's marginally so if you consider possible blind calling hands and PF raiser's PF raising, flop capping type hands. I'd probably fold the flop here...if not certainly the turn. You have the best position, you called the flop and you are given more information and raises to call when it comes to you...be done with the hand I think. |
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Re: 50-100 6 max hand
I was thinking similar to you with hand composition. Flop is tough to figure out what you are beat by. Then given the hands we are considering they could have it looks like 6 good outs are possible on the turn. If we think we have 6 outs it is a definite call.
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Re: 50-100 6 max hand
It's really hard putting the CO on a hand here. His preflop action isn't consistent with a big pair, so the flop cap looks like a set. Once he raises the turn though, it seems like he'd be worried about blowing you off a hand that's either dead or drawing to 2 outs.
It looks like 66, A6s, or something totally random. With the sb also representing a 6, it's hard to imagine you having enough clean outs to call the turn. |
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