lost with TPTK

[Exitonly]

I don't think you can check-fold on the turn, there are plenty of drawing hands that could still be around. So i'd bet out again, and on that river.. hm... i guess maybe check-call, trry and induce a bluff from a missed spade draw..and it's not like weaker aces would check behind there, so cheeck-call the river.

[schwza]

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There are plenty of hands you are still ahead of on the turn. KQ spades or not, J10 spades, A10/A9, KJ. KK. I lead the turn for about 550 and probably (but not always) fold to a push.

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what do you on the river?

[durron597]

If he was drawing he won't call, but he may bet. He may have AQ and be happy you are continuing to bet into him. But if he's that sort of a player he will probably cheaply value bet the river.

I'm check-calling here.

[MLG]

check and see.

[Surfbullet]

I would value-bet the river expecting any A and maybe some other pair to call, but it's my limit brain taking over and I can intellectually understand how c/c is better.

FWIW, I think villain would have to be mad(or incredibly devious) to be slowplaying a hand to the river on this board, especially given your PF raise. If he thinks you are Joe Average party tourney player I can't imagine why he'd fail to raise A8/AJ/AQ/KT/set on this turn. When he calls he's either behind or on a draw, the river changed nothing, so I think c/c is best to induce bluffs from missed draws /weak hands and bets from Aces that are all giddy that they made trips.

Now if villain has played with you extensively and is known to be a clever, devious player then I think we have more to worry about. IMHO the reasons we are so worried about protecting our TPTK are the very same reasons why his slowplay is so unlikely - the drawy/dangerous nature of the board.

That came off kind of arrogantly... These are just the things that ran through my head as I read the action, and I fully admit that any or all of it could be incorrect - i'm pretty new to the tourney scene.

Surf

[schwza]

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check and see.

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arg, i feel like i'm dragging this out of you...

what if i check and he pushes. what's your play?

[Exitonly]

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I would value-bet the river expecting any A and maybe some other pair to call,

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I think al the hands that will call your bet here, will bet themselves if you let them. Also, hands taht wouldnt have called will bluff at it, And for hands taht beat you, the money would be going in anyway.

[MLG]

sorry, when he pushes you only need to be good one time in 3 to make the call correct. Given that I bet the turn, I think I'm going to be good one time in three here against this guy, because i don't think there are very many hands its a good idea to play the way he did (call flop and turn, push river). Sure, sometimes he flopped a set or has a house or whatever but often enough he's a donk who thinks the 3rd A just made his A10 a monster. Sure, there are some players this is a fold against, but against an unknown I'm not in the habit of making big river folds.

That was my exact reasoning too, I 100% agree. I am not going to fold on this river, and I want bad hands that would have folded to try to put in more money, because hands that have me beat are going to bet/raise me anyways. And if they check behind, they weren't likely to call my bet anyways, so thats why I think a check call here is good.

[schwza]

the river goes check-check. he has JsTs and MHIG.

thanks all for comments.