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#21
08-12-2005, 12:42 AM
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Re: high implied odds?
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How much value are you giving the tens in this spot? Two . . . two and a half outs? [/ QUOTE ] One possibly one and a half. The T's don't give you the nuts so they need to be heavily discounted. If you hit on the turn they give you top pair weak kicker OOP. You might be dominated and if you are ahead you could easily lose to many river cards. 
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#22
08-12-2005, 01:00 AM
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Re: high implied odds?
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[ QUOTE ] How much value are you giving the tens in this spot? Two . . . two and a half outs? [/ QUOTE ] One possibly one and a half. The T's don't give you the nuts so they need to be heavily discounted. If you hit on the turn they give you top pair weak kicker OOP. You might be dominated and if you are ahead you could easily lose to many river cards. [/ QUOTE ] So if we give the sixes the same, say 1.5 outs, at the most since if a six comes a four makes a straight, a call here is justified since the implied odds may make up for what we're losing now in terms of pot odds? How do you figure out implied odds? Is it just a guess at how much action you think is going down in the rest of the hand based on what has happened so far?
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#23
08-12-2005, 01:36 AM
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Re: high implied odds?
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] So if we give the sixes the same, say 1.5 outs, at the most since if a six comes a four makes a straight, a call here is justified since the implied odds may make up for what we're losing now in terms of pot odds? How do you figure out implied odds? Is it just a guess at how much action you think is going down in the rest of the hand based on what has happened so far? [/ QUOTE ] Yes implied odds allow us to peel because if we hit our str8 on the turn we will probably make at least 4 more BB's on the hand. Implied odds are just an estimate of how much money you expect to go in the pot on later betting rounds. There is no formula just a guess. Use your reads of the other players, the board texture, the likely range of hands that are out against you to determine how much you expect win (or lose) on future betting rounds. When drawing estimate the average bets you would expect to go into the pot from your opponents on the turn or and river if you hit your hand (preferrably a big hand or even the nuts) you add these bets to your immediate pot odds to determine whether to call or fold. These implied odds are added to your immediate pot odds because you are not compelled to put in any money in later rounds if your draw misses. If you are drawing to less than the nuts discount your estimate. However if you have a made hand implied odds can actually make a hand that has proper immediate pot odds odds to call become a fold. For instance top pair weak kicker on a draw heavy board might compel you to fold if you are bet into on the flop if the pot is small becauese it will be you who pays the future bets before realizing you are beaten.
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