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Re: JTo in LP
** Grunch **
Preflop raise is questionable, unless you had some kind of read on the blinds and knew you had a good chance of isolating the single limper. Flop raise is good. Might win the pot right there, fold to a re-raise. Turn, I would consider taking a free river here. But since you bet the turn, I would bet the river here when it was checked to me. With two Clubs on the flop, your flop raise, and the Club river scare card -- you will often get a better hand to lay down thinking you were chasing and hit a flush - I can't see a better hand checking the river to you - so bet, you probably have the best hand. |
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Re: JTo in LP
we can't fold to a raise, we have a gutshot
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Re: JTo in LP
As they say: **GRUNCH**
I think you could pick a better hand to isolate with. It seems to me a good isolation hand should have high card strength - which JTo does not. I'd just limp behind. The flop raise looks good. You've got a pair which could could be best (though villians bet makes that less likely), a gutshot and backdoor flush draw. I like your raise. What are you trying to accomplish on the turn? I'd just take the free card. River looks good. You're behind too often to bet here. |
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Re: JTo in LP
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Villain in this hand is unknown. BB is a fish, but not awful..... Hoping to isolate the limper. [/ QUOTE ] I like your plan, but I just don't like the JTo. Maybe I'm too weak/tight. Villian is unkown so I would consider him "typical". Which means he could be open limping with a lot of hands A/K/Q-rag. BB is Fish which = loose, so chances are you're not going to isolate anyway. |
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Re: JTo in LP
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Villian is unkown so I would consider him "typical". Which means he could be open limping with a lot of hands A/K/Q-rag. [/ QUOTE ] As a fun experiment, I took a look at the summary for my 12k hands at Stars .50/1. Average VPIP is 27.40 with a PFR of 6.96. However, I play a lot of shorthand at 10-seat tables (I like sitting at an empty table and letting people come to me), so their full ring stats may be lower. Even so, I ran pokerstove for the hell of it against a typical 27.4% vpip range and we came out a 40/60 dog. Not that it means anything, just fun. |
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Re: JTo in LP
I raise this pre-flop pretty much never.
Given that you raised, however, I like the way you played the rest of the hand. That flop hit a reasonable portion of your raising hand range, so villain is going to be worried unless he hit really strongly. With the gutshot, you know you can call a 3-bet here profitably if it happens, and you'd really like to get BB out of the hand. I like this raise. I probably bet this on the turn, too, but I don't really like it. If it were heads up, I'd like it more, but 3-way it feels iffy. BB cold-calling two on the flop screams flush-draw, though, and I really don't want to give a free card. Keeping the pressure on UTG+1 is also good. I would grimace and probably fold to a raise here as that implies I am very behind and have at most 4 outs. On the river, I think the odds of getting a better hand to fold are pretty low. No read on UTG+1, so it's hard to know what % of his hand range you're ahead of here. Add in the fact that the flush just came in and I think this is a pretty clear check-behind situation. I expect to be shown KJo or a busted straight draw (KTo) pretty often here. Pretty common to see a flush, too, I think, hoping to c/r you on the end knowing you possibly fold to a donk bet given the amount of aggression you've shown so far. This will be a good hand to learn a fair bit about the villain. |
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Re: JTo in LP
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Even so, I ran pokerstove for the hell of it against a typical 27.4% vpip range and we came out a 40/60 dog. Not that it means anything, just fun. [/ QUOTE ] you probably forgot to remove his top ~7% hands (ie. the ones he raises). |
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Re: JTo in LP
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[ QUOTE ] Even so, I ran pokerstove for the hell of it against a typical 27.4% vpip range and we came out a 40/60 dog. Not that it means anything, just fun. [/ QUOTE ] you probably forgot to remove his top ~7% hands (ie. the ones he raises). [/ QUOTE ] I removed those (AA-TT, AJ+ KQ) and we're still a slight dog, 55-45. This flop doesn't hit most the big hands. edit: wait a minute yeah this hits big hands and the stove calculations don't matter there anyway cause this is preflop. I need coffee. |
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Re: JTo in LP
:grunch:
Wow you are a bit aggressive with that flop raise. The bet on the turn is iffy because if UTG+1 had an Q you gave him a chance to c/r. And actually since you didn't get c/r on the turn you might as well fire again on the river. |
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Re: JTo in LP
i like how the hand was played unless UTG is ABC and only donks TP in which case i would have folded. we hope to fold a stronger J and get most value from a T8 or J9.
yeah we open ourselves up to a c/r, but again, unless he's tricky, it is still a good bet for the same reasons as the flop raise. it works sometimes and sometimes it doesn't. i don't make it a habit or suggest it as a "typical" line, but it is by no means a spew or horribly wrong. |
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