AKo- big pot.

[Redd]

I'm gonna be the guy that starts problems and say I like a flop lead here. This seems to me like the sort of situation where we can't quite bet for value (although it's close with 7ish outs), but we gain the possbility of folding out reverse-dominating hands, or backdoor straights that might muck up our pair outs.

Because of all of our outs, we only lose a fraction of a bet in value if we lead, but we stand to increase our equity in a large pot.
And there's the usual metagame reasons, if you only bet with good hands people will know that in the future blah, blah, blah.

Isn't there a hand in SSHE very similar to this where NPA advocates leading the flop? It was one of the first flop hand quizzes IIRC?

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I'm gonna be the guy that starts problems and say I like a flop lead here. This seems to me like the sort of situation where we can't quite bet for value (although it's close with 7ish outs), but we gain the possbility of folding out reverse-dominating hands, or backdoor straights that might muck up our pair outs.

Because of all of our outs, we only lose a fraction of a bet in value if we lead, but we stand to increase our equity in a large pot.
And there's the usual metagame reasons, if you only bet with good hands people will know that in the future blah, blah, blah.

Isn't there a hand in SSHE very similar to this where NPA advocates leading the flop? It was one of the first flop hand quizzes IIRC?

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A flop bet will fold obviously never KJ, K10, KQ etc but im still open to opinions.

[MagicRat]

Even though we'll most likely have to hit to win the hand (feel like we're up against a straight draw and middle or top pair), if the raise gets rid of one or more of the stragglers who have a low PP it increases our overall chances of winning. Bad thinking?

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Even though we'll most likely have to hit to win the hand (feel like we're up against a straight draw and middle or top pair), if the raise gets rid of one or more of the stragglers who have a low PP it increases our overall chances of winning. Bad thinking?

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they're already behind probably to a J or T. so they're making the mistake without us need to make things more expensive for ourselves with UI OCs. i'd do that if we had a T or a weak J, but at this point i'll risk letting them stay in and hitting their 2 outer.

[cold_cash]

I look at it this way on the flop:

There's no way a bet is winning this pot.

I'm going to need to catch to win.

That flop had to hit someone.

If I check, it's likely someone else will bet, so if my bet would have folded a hand like 66, he's likely folding anyway.

It's unlikely anyone w/ Tx, Jx, or 5x is folding for one bet, and they really shouldn't anyway.

I don't want to pay two bets to draw if I can only pay one.

If it gets checked around, that's peachy dandy with me.

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I'm gonna be the guy that starts problems and say I like a flop lead here. This seems to me like the sort of situation where we can't quite bet for value (although it's close with 7ish outs), but we gain the possbility of folding out reverse-dominating hands, or backdoor straights that might muck up our pair outs.

Because of all of our outs, we only lose a fraction of a bet in value if we lead, but we stand to increase our equity in a large pot.
And there's the usual metagame reasons, if you only bet with good hands people will know that in the future blah, blah, blah.

Isn't there a hand in SSHE very similar to this where NPA advocates leading the flop? It was one of the first flop hand quizzes IIRC?

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A flop bet will fold obviously never KJ, K10, KQ etc but im still open to opinions.

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We might fold A5/K5, and would almost certainly fold a naked queen. If a queen gets a free card and we pair either of our cards on the turn, he gets a free redraw against us. (Hitting a free king here is more crucial since a queen would get a free OESD)