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Re: empire 55r JJ facing raise
I'd bet 2400 and fold if MP3 or SB pushes, but call if MP1 pushes.
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Re: empire 55r JJ facing raise
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I'd bet 2400 and fold if MP3 or SB pushes, but call if MP1 pushes. [/ QUOTE ] Why call MP1's push? OP, just wanted to compliment you on posting two hands that are really tough, IMHO. |
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Re: empire 55r JJ facing raise
Because he's not checking any reasonable hand into 3 players after one has already checked. If he check raised all in on us, I'd expect to see a lower pair quite often.
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Re: empire 55r JJ facing raise
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Because he's not checking any reasonable hand into 3 players after one has already checked. If he check raised all in on us, I'd expect to see a lower pair quite often. [/ QUOTE ] I think this just means that if he check/pushes here, he's probably got a poorly played hand. I don't see much of an argument for it being a poorly played bad hand though. I certainly have seen AK do this, or even 99. |
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Re: empire 55r JJ facing raise
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Because he's not checking any reasonable hand into 3 players after one has already checked. If he check raised all in on us, I'd expect to see a lower pair quite often. [/ QUOTE ] i think a flush draw often takes that line, especially because he's almost sure to have an overcard or a gutshot to go with it. i would be surprised to see that line from a hand like 98 or 77. |
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OP, just wanted to compliment you on posting two hands that are really tough, IMHO. [/ QUOTE ] thanks. i'm glad there was good discussion on both. |
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Re: empire 55r JJ facing raise
Four-handed I'm checking behind here. The lack of a c-bet makes me a little uneasy, as does the fact that I'm not last to act. I don't think a bet will take down the pot (too good a chance someone hit top pair or flush draw, and won't lay it down), and I do not want a CR from the initial raiser, or a raise from the cold-caller.
Fit me for a skirt if you'd like. |
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Re: empire 55r JJ facing raise
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Four-handed I'm checking behind here. The lack of a c-bet makes me a little uneasy, as does the fact that I'm not last to act. I don't think a bet will take down the pot (too good a chance someone hit top pair or flush draw, and won't lay it down), and I do not want a CR from the initial raiser, or a raise from the cold-caller. Fit me for a skirt if you'd like. [/ QUOTE ] the biggest reason i wanted to check here was that he basically haven't heard from SB or MP3 yet. i think SB c/r's almost every good hand he can have here. i was happy to try to inch towards showdown. in retrospect, i think a bet would be ok, but i still like checking better. it lets me get away free if two people get involved either on this street or the turn. |
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Re: empire 55r JJ facing raise
i have no idea what to do on the flop, because I suck. So I think the most $EV play for me is to check it. If I sense weakness afterwards, I might play it aggressively, but I think I'm playing this weak/tight. A better player might be able to play it differently.
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Re: empire 55r JJ facing raise
i checked. i'll post reasons why later as i don't want to influence future posts.
MP3 (t23462) SB (t10515) 9415 left MP1 (t17125) 16025 Hero (t11130) 10030 Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t1100</font>, Hero calls t1100, MP3 calls t1100, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls t900, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>. Flop: (t4800) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks. Turn: (t4800) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets t2400</font>, hero? |
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