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Old 12-13-2005, 07:58 AM
adios adios is offline
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They're sent to prison to remove them from society as well as receive punishment.

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That's fine, then keep them there. I have no complains, although I think the message Tookie put out probably helped save a life or two, so why not encourage it (not that you were saying not to, just saying it's a positive).

Cody

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Your points are well taken and I am opposed to the death penalty as it currently stands. Not sure how convincing the evidence was against Williams but I'd have to review the case.
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Old 12-13-2005, 08:41 AM
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Default Re: This bloodlust is sickening

Richard,

"Isn't that the idea behind the idea of rehabilitation."

The criminal justice system is not and should not be about rehabilitation. It is about punishment and protecting society.
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Old 12-13-2005, 02:53 PM
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That's fine, then keep them there. I have no complains, although I think the message Tookie put out probably helped save a life or two, so why not encourage it (not that you were saying not to, just saying it's a positive).

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?????
Is it your thoughts that the crips were not formed to terrorize the community, to sell drugs, sell women, and to kill if necessary?????
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Old 12-13-2005, 05:13 PM
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That's fine, then keep them there. I have no complains, although I think the message Tookie put out probably helped save a life or two, so why not encourage it (not that you were saying not to, just saying it's a positive).

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Is it your thoughts that the crips were not formed to terrorize the community, to sell drugs, sell women, and to kill if necessary?????

[/ QUOTE ]are you serious????
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Old 12-13-2005, 09:54 AM
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It's not Tookie's fault he's being killed (as opposed to serving a life term) and those that care for him are paying a penelty as well.
Cody

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Are you serious????

The fact that he committed a crime, was convicted in an ostensibly fair trial, and received the death penalty, was not his fault?

WOW.

As for the argument about all of the other murderers, rapists, etc.. Their sentence should be carried out, no matter what it is. If they have grounds for appeal, then appeal. If they want to use DNA evidence, great. If they have been given a trial, appeal(s), and a CHANCE for clemency, then society has done its job.

I will say that people can change. Rehabilitation and redemption should be encouraged. But there has to be a line at which we, as a society, say "No". Did this case cross that line? I'm not sure, as I do not know all of the facts of the case.

But I hope at some point, people will realize that accountability is not a bad thing. I hope that people realize there are actions and deeds that society considers crimes, and those actions and deeds have consequences.

Let us remember the victims and their families a little bit more than we remember the convicted criminal.
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Old 12-13-2005, 11:24 AM
Richard Tanner Richard Tanner is offline
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Default Re: This bloodlust is sickening

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It's not Tookie's fault he's being killed (as opposed to serving a life term) and those that care for him are paying a penelty as well.
Cody

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Are you serious????

The fact that he committed a crime, was convicted in an ostensibly fair trial, and received the death penalty, was not his fault?

WOW.

As for the argument about all of the other murderers, rapists, etc.. Their sentence should be carried out, no matter what it is. If they have grounds for appeal, then appeal. If they want to use DNA evidence, great. If they have been given a trial, appeal(s), and a CHANCE for clemency, then society has done its job.

I will say that people can change. Rehabilitation and redemption should be encouraged. But there has to be a line at which we, as a society, say "No". Did this case cross that line? I'm not sure, as I do not know all of the facts of the case.

But I hope at some point, people will realize that accountability is not a bad thing. I hope that people realize there are actions and deeds that society considers crimes, and those actions and deeds have consequences.

Let us remember the victims and their families a little bit more than we remember the convicted criminal.

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Yep totally 100% Serious. It's his fault he's in prison for the rest of his life, but not to die (it doesn't matter that when he commited the crime, he knew it was punishable by death, this is about the penelty).

And before someone whips this question out, if it were my mother and father killed by Tookie, I would love nothing more then seeing his ass in jail for the rest of him life. If he later spoke out against his crimes (I realize he never confessed to the murders, but about gang life) I might just shake his hand.

Cody
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Old 12-13-2005, 02:50 PM
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(1000 people on death row* ($61.58 a day * 365 days/year))/20,851,820 Texans= $1.08 per year to the taxpayer.

Interesting no?

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What is interesting is that I would pay $20/day just to get the death rows cleaned out. Make no mistake, I mean that all the inmates need to leave the prison------ in body bags.
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Old 12-13-2005, 04:44 PM
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(1000 people on death row* ($61.58 a day * 365 days/year))/20,851,820 Texans= $1.08 per year to the taxpayer.

Interesting no?

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What is interesting is that I would pay $20/day just to get the death rows cleaned out. Make no mistake, I mean that all the inmates need to leave the prison------ in body bags.

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I'm guessing you get laughed at alot when you speak to others right?

Cody
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Old 12-14-2005, 02:45 AM
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<<<1000 people on death row* ($61.58 a day * 365 days/year))/20,851,820 Texans= $1.08 per year to the taxpayer.>>

I could buy a coke with that. Or almost half a gallon of gas. Let me keep my money. Pull the switch.
Les
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Old 12-13-2005, 08:47 AM
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Default Re: DON\'T KILL TOOKIE

Tookie is dead. Dare I say, Dare, Dare, the world is a better place.

Love,

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