QJs - a high variance play. Comments please. - Page 3

#21 12-02-2005, 01:48 PM

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46 cards left, so our odds are 15

46-15) = 15:31, which is rougly 1:2 or 33%.

A quicker method for a rough calculation is to take the number of outs and multiply by 4 on the flop or 2 on the turn. So 15x2 = 30%. This undershoots it a bit, so it's reasonable to use for "value" calculations

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Thanks. This makes sense.

damaniac · #22 12-02-2005, 01:54 PM

I was talking about the turn. I assumed the pumping a 12-outer on the flop was mandatory.

#23 12-02-2005, 02:00 PM

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A quicker method for a rough calculation is to memorize these numbers

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FYP.

krimson · #24 12-02-2005, 02:08 PM

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A quicker method for a rough calculation is to memorize these numbers

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FYP.

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Why? Different people have different skill sets. I pretty much auto-pilot these calculations now, but I certainly didn't get there by memorizing a table. For someone to "memorize" this means they're sitting there with a chart and not thinking about what those numbers actually mean.

#25 12-02-2005, 02:19 PM

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Why? Different people have different skill sets. I pretty much auto-pilot these calculations now, but I certainly didn't get there by memorizing a table. For someone to "memorize" this means they're sitting there with a chart and not thinking about what those numbers actually mean.

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Fair enough. Maybe I was a bit hasty to suggest memorization. Personally, I have a little cheat-sheet I carry with me and look at whenever I can (ie in between hands when playing live, and during hands when playing online). This helps me get familiar with the numbers.

krimson · #26 12-02-2005, 02:24 PM

A wise man once said:

Give a man a chart, and he can extract off fish until he loses the chart.

Teach a man to calculate the chart, and he can extract off fish for a lifetime.

einbert · #27 12-02-2005, 02:36 PM

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A wise man once said:

Give a man a chart, and he can extract off fish until he loses the chart.

Teach a man to calculate the chart, and he can extract off fish for a lifetime.

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This reminds me of one of my favorite poker proverbs from twoplustwo poster "TheDrizzle" (note I am not trying to be mean to anybody or make a sarcastic jab, just adding something I think is funny to the thread.)

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Remember the poker proverb:
Give a man a hard and fast chart on how to play hold'em and he plays for a day.
Teach a man how to think about hold'em and......he grows bored because this is not a fast enough way to make money.

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Happy holidays,
einbert