How long will SNG's stay REALLY profitable?

[psyduck]

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its more of an experience thing. after thousands of sngs you start to figure it out, and can almost predict exactly when they will call yer pushes and when they will push. its creepy.

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I do this, but I don't know much about assigning ranges and comparing with pot odds and probability in some super official mathematical way.

OOC, how many SNGs do you usually play a day? And how many tables? Thanks.

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how many do i play a day.. i duno it depends on how hard i want to work. im back in school now so dont have too many free hours when im not chasin tcu girlies around. i used to play around 50-60 hours a week always 8 tabling.. now ill try to play a couple hours a day and.. a lot of tables. im still figuring out how many is too much. holla

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That is goddamn impressive. I'm having trouble doing 6 hrs a day.

[raptor517]

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i htink you need to sit down and make a decision about if you're going to play sng or ring games.

citanul

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why? i can make about 2039850923592308 sklansky bucks an hour at both of em. you forget mtts also. i like to mix it up sometimes in case i get bored. keeps things interesting. holla

[citanul]

can't play mtts if you only wanna play 2 hours at a stretch...

citanul

[raptor517]

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can't play mtts if you only wanna play 2 hours at a stretch...

citanul

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mtts are diff slut. i wont be playing those much at all cuz of the damned school.. but ill make a habit of playing all the good ones on sundays. holla

[jon462]

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Until 10/04/2005.

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are you sure? I think they will last till November at least.

[fnord_too]

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My worry is that sooner or later all the donks playing the 11's to 55's will wake up and smell the coffee and learn how easy SNG's really are if they could just discipline themselves.

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I have not read the other responses but I think they will be nice for quite a while, especially at the lower levels. Think about casinos: people still throw away money in the pit games at a staggering rate even knowing they are suckers for playing. Moreover, dicipline is not a common trait, so even when people know how to play well they do not.

Additionally, I think there is more profit outside of STTs. I don't think that really comes into play until you have a more than adequate bankroll for the 215's (or whatever the highest popular beatable STT is) though. From a bankroll perspective, I think STT's offer the greatest potential. (i.e. I think it takes less bankroll to achieve a given hourly rate at a set risk of ruin in STT's than anywhere else right now, though NL ring games is not too far behind.)

[fnord_too]

Check out Eastbay's tool for analysis. As to ranges, try to come up with a few for tight, normal, and loose pushers and callers. As to what to push, there is a face up chart somewhere that maybe someone can link. It shows (I think) when it is right to push with a fixed stack if your cards were face up and your opponent played perfectly. Also, I have a spreadsheet somewhere (someone's hosting it, and it is linked a few places, but I don't have the link handy) that shows you, amongst other things, how often your hand has to be good if you get a call to make pushing profitable for a given stack size (it takes number of people to act into account).

[Nicholasp27]

technically they will always be profitable so long as you can be better than the average player

even if the skill level of the average player rises dramatically, you can make a lot of money at them if you can be better than that average...and sngs are quick and you can multi-table, thus making them 'really profitable' so long as you can be better than average

with rb, if u can just break-even (that is, be enough above average to just cover the rake) while 12-tabling 200/15s, then that is 12*15*.25=$45 every 46 mins = $59/hour (more if u start a new one as soon as you bust out of one)

so 200/15s will always be profitable so long as there is rakeback and you can just beat the ave players for the rake

[Raiser]

I've been playing the $22s for the past month or so. I am still getting a gauge on bubble play, so take this for what it is worth. I would guess that only something like 5-10% of my opponents know how to play the bubble correctly. I don't think that's underestimating. So I am not in the least bit worried about the lower games becoming too hard in the near future.

As grandma always said, "Rich people can be moronic too". Even the higher levels have fish, though way less. I have been playing the 11s and slumming the 6.50s for a year now and have made quite a good side living at it. But I guess buying a car with winnings would make any player happy.