Commerce 20/40 NL Hand

[John Ho]

You don't need a tell here. It's obviously a straight flush against any normal player.

So the point of the original post was how do you maximize value here against a very good player.

I would have checkraised him a huge overbet on the turn representing a bluff. Then I can safely move in on the river and make him think hard rather than put in multiple raises and give away the hand.

Of course if you do it this way you'll only get paid off by a K hearts or a full house if he can see the river for cheaper.

But still the check raise overbet on the turn sounds right.

[cero_z]

Hi John,

[ QUOTE ]
I would have checkraised him a huge overbet on the turn representing a bluff.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes.

[Big_Jim]

Re-raise the flop.

Bet the turn. Villian ain't paying off much without a K, and he ain't goin' anywhere with one.

Sorry to see that he folded it, but if you got more money in sooner, he wouldn't have.

[dibbs]

He has the K it really doesnt matter either way no matter how good he is. ni han

[Big_Jim]

[ QUOTE ]
He has the K it really doesnt matter either way no matter how good he is

[/ QUOTE ]

Read the results.

[Rococo]

I don't understand the flop line here at all. What hand are you representing after you lead for $60 into a $280 pot and then flat call a raise?

[FourKing Hell]

A medium made flush that doesn't want to play for 300 BB's?

[37offsuit]

I can't see Villian calling you here. There are two possible limp hands that you could have that beat the K and the only other hand you have is one with the Q. You don't play the Q this way, obviously you just call on the end, not push in another 6K. So you need to get more in on the turn where he might still make you for a weaker hand with outs. Then he either puts you all in after your weak river bet or raises enough so that what you have left he's committed to call with the K. If he has the Q, you probably lose him earlier though.

[gomberg]

Man, you hit your money card on the turn. LEAD for a big bet! I see this so often... so many people leave money on the table. If he has a set, he'll probably call. If he has the K, he'll probably raise. You have to build the pot when you have a monster w/ pretty deep stacks, and the best way to do that is to lead...

EDIT: Just saw the results - if you build this pot on the turn, your chances of stacking him off increase by 100%. With deeps stacks against a good player, it DOES matter (to all those posters who said if he has the K it doesn't).

[John Ho]

I agree with your post except one aspect. A huge bet on the turn with that board will usually get a set to fold. So you run the risk of losing him if the river paired the board.

But I agree...either lead big or I like check raising big better.